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[edit] Collaboration

I have a question about the "series" aspect of Vandread. Like many anime series, Vandread has multiple seasons and, like some, it's second season is subtitled - Vandread:The Second Stage. This is like Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex where it's second season Ghost in the Shell: S.A.C. 2nd GIG was given it's own article. The seasons of GITS was, IMO, autonomous enough to award the second season with it's own article, should the same be done for Vandread? Or should it similarily be set up like Full Metal Panic! where subsequent and preceding seasons are linked in a somewhat tabular fashion at the bottom? Or should they be combined and the infobox altered to reflect the separate seasons? (As it stands now, the infobox reflects only the first season.) I would just like some clarification on how this collaboration plans on going about this. Thanks. -- Miss Ethereal 05:28, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

The second season's plot doesn't get so much as a skimover in the current article, and as you mentioned most info is lumped with the original series. I'm for adding an infobox and fleshing out more info on the last half of show. Or are we in need of diviating the two with "The Second Page"? Papacha 04:00, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] LGBT

Not to be a party-pooper, but LGBT is not only not a focus of the Vandread storyline, but in fact the whole plot is basically about how much more fascinating and alluring (and even suspicious/dangerous) the opposite sex can be... if anything, this pure heterosexual angst! Sweetfreek 04:50, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

  • Its.....not a focus? Somthing like 80% of the cast are lesbians. .....and then there are Bart and BC. Jack Cain 06:10, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
This is so an LGBT series. Its focus does not by definition have to be about LGBT to be LGBT. It's LGBT because gay men and lesbian women make up the social background, and the vast majority of the characters in the story are lesbian women. Dita may be straight, but Meia's a lesbian, Jura's a lesbian, Barnette's a lesbian, and if Gascogne's not a lesbian then my 'dar isn't working. One of the recurring themes is the culture shock of meeting heterosexuals and learning about heterosexual issues, which most of the characters had long been trained to regard as disgusting and deviant. The story is essentially from gay cultural and lesbian cultural points of view, even if not all that characters are gay or lesbian. - Gilgamesh 06:17, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
I wouldn't consider this series' forced homosexualism (i.e. having no heterosexual community at all), as an example of an LGBT series. IMHO, Vandread deals with sexual relations among other things but doesn't present LGBT issues in a special way. That is why, I am not comfortable with putting this anime in the same category as Kannazuki no Miko, Maria-sama ga Miteru, Strawberry Panic or many other shoujo-ai animes.
That is my $0.02 after watching only 6 episodes so far. Therefore, I might change my opinion after watching all episodes. :) --Emre D. 10:53, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Trust me, it gets gayer. But if I said how, that would be spoiling. - Gilgamesh 11:06, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Remember, too, that role reversal is a common way to of addressing social issues in fiction. In the world of VanDread, the people have homosexual relationships by default, and most are disturbed by the idea of heterosexual relationships (at least at first). --'Kash 19:40, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I'd agree that there are some pretty strong LGBT themes (having just watched the second stage), but as mentioned above it's also about the rediscovery of heterosexuality and (more importantly, I think) about different shapes of family and community. For instance, the important thing about Ezra's baby is, I think, not that she was born to a lesbian couple, but that the whole ship is her family and is helping to raise her. -- Matt of the Wilson 22:34, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Author

I don't know anything about the creator of VanDread, and am actually kind of curious. Currently the article links to an old Japanese military officer (died in 1945). I'm pretty sure that's not our guy, so anything now anything about this and can fix it? --'Kash 00:51, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes wrong Takeshi Mori. Removed link. Japanese wiki has page on him: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%82%E3%82%8A%E3%81%9F%E3%81%91%E3%81%97 Anyone can translate?

[edit] Name Arrangement

I think it's worth mentioning that the characters in VanDread don't refer to each other in typical Japanese fashion; e.g. their surnames follow their given names, which is more typical of Western culture.

[edit] Third Stage

I noticed that someone was looking for a "Third Stage" season of Vandread. As far as anyone knows, it doesn't exist. There were ideas for a season to star Hibiki's daughters, but that was scrapped for the Second Stage season.

[edit] Spoiler Warning

I'm not sure on the precedure to place a spoiler warning correctly, or how to mark this page as needing one. But with a whole section designated for plot and some of the information in the "Characters" section I feel that there is a serious need for one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FreakyFrogThing (talk • contribs) 13:27, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

There has been a consensus somewhere that spoiler warnings are not necessary on series that have been out for a while. The thought being: this is an encyclopedia, not a fan site, or something like that. Sorry I can't remember exactly where I read that, but I'm certain that is the current guideline/policy. --Eruhildo (talk) 17:28, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cut sections

These are basically WP:Trivia sections. As for "anime/manga" differences, comparisons between the two versions is moot, simply because by nature of each medium, changes and differences are naturally to occur. KyuuA4 (talk) 19:27, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I found them kind of annoying myself. --Eruhildo (talk) 23:37, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anime vs. Manga

Two volumes and one special manga were written, serving as an alternate storyline to the canonical anime series. But for some reason they made one english volume and didn't do the rest. The manga takes a vastly different approach to the story, with several characters reinvented, and new ones added. Some of the differences include:

  • Hibiki's Vanguard was not changed by the Paksis Pragma.
  • Dita is less childish in the manga.
  • The only Vandread unit featured is the Dita-Type Vandread, and it is permanently fused.
  • Meia acts as captain of the Nirvana.
  • Hibiki and Dita's relationship progresses at a much quicker pace, and in a more obvious fashion.
  • Hibiki calls the mejeras by their names and Dita calls him by his name and not Mr. Alien.
  • Bart makes a short appearance in the first chapter, but is not a crew member of the Nirvana.
  • Duelo, Ezra, Paiway, Gascogne, and Pyoro do not appear in the manga.
  • Jura is a bridge operator in Ezra's absence. She is shown to have a distinct dislike of men, while Barnette falls in love with Hibiki.
  • Hibiki is the only male aboard the Nirvana.
  • Hibiki shows kindness to the mejeras, except Meia.
  • The Vandread has an evil counterpart called the Dark Vandread or Shadowdread.
  • There are two new characters in the manga: Tenho, a twelve year-old, green-haired pirate who has the ability to interact with machines (she tends to explain a lot of things) and tends to Hibiki like a surrogate sister, and Asra, a blue-haired pirate who pilots Dark Vandread (or Shadowdread). She tries to seduce Hibiki, but failed thanks to Tenho. She fought Hibiki and Dita in their Vandreads. She was actually being controlled by Dark Vandread, but was freed by Hibiki and Dita, thus becoming a new crew member and acting as Tenho's mother.
  • BC is a woman, and acts as the main villain.
  • In BC's flashback, it shows she was in love with a man, showing she did not come from Taraak, Mejere, or Earth.

[edit] Trivia

  • Dita and Meia can be seen at a carnival in Stratos 4.
  • The 3D graphics and combating is simliar to it's counterpart, Pilot Candidate.