Talk:Vampire: The Masquerade
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[edit] Antediluvians
I have a bit of an issue with the listing of the Antediluvians in the clan section. For one thing, it could be considered a bit of a spoiler and I don't feel it's information that belongs on the main V:tM article. Shouldn't we be sticking to the core book instead of combing supplements for the true names of the antediluvians and every obscure bloodline? For another, I haven't even heard of some of these guys and I've been keeping up with Vampire for several years now. So I checked Gehenna, specifically the "official" list at the end of the Introduction, and found no reference to Ilyes, Laro Somi Barra or Mekneth. While I could have missed something in the Brujah or Lasombra clanbooks, Clanbook: Tzimisce purposely avoids giving any name to the founder. Veddartha and Dacian are also absent from the list of "canon" antediluvians, though I recall those names at least being tossed about in suppliments at some point. Essentially my complaint is that a) some of this stuff is unsupported and does not exist in published sources to the best of my knowledge, and b) the clan proginators and the list of bloodlines are unusually specific for this page - it's similar in principle to including a complete list of the saints on Christianity. --70.161.56.58 05:14, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Bloodline info
Some of the bloodlines information is just flat wrong and even more is supposition that wasn't actually printed anywhere. It should be removed or re-done.
- The biggest thing that should be deleted (or at least explained) is the reference to the Sons of Discord. The Sons of Discord have never actually appeared. They were a fan creation, and one or two books (mostly LARP supplements, which aren't considered canon) contain references only to their destruction. This might be just me, but I really don't think they should be mentioned in the article.--MythicFox 11:10, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
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- MET books are canon for MET games. However, beyond the one book they're mentioned in for MET, they're never mentioned anywhere else. They were adapted for MET use, but not tabletop. But, this would have to begin a discussion about "what is canon" and what's considered canon, and who decides what canon is, which has been a long-running debate/discussion/argument/flame war on the White Wolf forums. --Amokk 12:01, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Game system
I am not very familiar with the gameplay mechanics of Vampire:Masquerade and games like it, but I do believe they are more extemporaneous story telling and less rule focused.
I would like to see someone with game knowledge discuss the mechanics.
I can only try my best. - Suriyawong, August 8, 2004.
- I'm more than a little familiar with the White Wolf games, I'll try and cook something up soon. Any suggestions? gifkip 22:53, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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- I've made up my own "starter kit" before for new players, so I could add information from that. I'm not so sure about the legality of posting game rules online, though, even the basic ones I've covered. --Vyran 28 June 2005 20:27 (UTC)
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- Game rules aren't relevant here, they'd be more appropriate at Storyteller system. --Goblin ›talk 29 June 2005 06:39 (UTC)
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[edit] Template:Fictional Setting
I'm not sure the template Fictional Setting is useful. See Template talk:Fictional Setting for the discussion I've tried to create on this point. — OwenBlacker 19:23, Dec 4, 2004 (UTC)
[edit] bloodlines
I think the fact that the Daughters of Cacophony keep getting changed every other day suggests that "Debated" is the best answer for their parent clan. --Amokk 19:07, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Rod Ferrell
Can someone put a link to Rod Ferrell?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 06:45, 2006 October 31 (talk • contribs) 216.243.132.205.
[edit] Moving Clan Descriptions
I moved the clan/bloodline/founder page to the WoD clans page as they really belong there and are full of spoilers. Tried to clean up the look of the page a little. Hopefully it all went well. Cameronmurtagh 11:11, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Concept and Moral Play POV
"Many maintain that the game's "moral play" aspects have been overlooked or discarded in favor of an action-horror style of play, especially facilitated by the strange, dreadful and dangerous powers of Disciplines."
The additions by 209.63.2.253 are all right, except the "many say" part and such are POV without any evidence supporting it. Many could be "my 3 friends and I" but that doesn't belong on wikipedia. --Amokk 22:03, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Vampmasq.jpg
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