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Contents 1 Discussion 2 Famous Valley girls 3 UK Usage 4 Cleanup 5 Sociolect 6 Changed Demographics 7 Unreferenced 8 Preventing the Val? 9 Films

[edit] Discussion

If this is our only article on Valley speak, it needs to have some mention of vocal raising or whatever that is called. I thought we had another article on this but can't seem to find one. Rmhermen 19:09 9 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Two points. First off, the comparison to the Sloane Rangers - if we're going to compare the "valley girl" stereotype to a British stereotype, wouldn't "Essex Girl" be more appropriate? Only the southern part of the San Fernando Valley is upscale (the northern part is as poverty stricken as almost anywhere in Los Angeles). Secondly, Moon Zappa's inflections were inspired by Laraine Newman on Saturday Night Live, not mentioned in the article.

[edit] Famous Valley girls

I don't see anything in that article about famous valley girls. Paris Hilton isn't even it that artilce.--Scott3 02:59, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Paris Hilton is a New Yorker. Valley girls are from California. Being blonde, ditzy, rich and an airhead doesn't necessarily qualify one as a valley. The fictional character Elle Woods from the movie Legally Blonde is more valley than Paris will ever be.

== Should X-men sidekick Jubilation Lee ("Jubilee") be included among famous valley girls? A) Is she a valley girl? (Monet calls her one in Generation X) and B) is she famous?

81.172.172.226 19:01, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] UK Usage

Just to say that speaking as a UK resident I have never heard this alleged usage from the article:

In the United Kingdom the term Valley girl is used to refer to a stereotype of a resident of the South Wales Valleys. The stereotype is one of a sexually promiscuous teenager or woman of less than average intelligence.

The stereotype is similar to Essex Girl or Sloane Ranger.

In the UK a 'Valley Girl' has the same meaning as in America, i.e. an affected juvenile Californian female with a peculiar intonation in her voice. And - like hello -Californian 'Valspeak' has influenced English English. Colin4C 20:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm well aware of the Valley Girls useage in the UK, they have been recognised as having a distinct character for well over a century, although I would dispute the "of less than average intelligence" tag on the sterotype. Also, they are nothing at all like the Sloane Rangers or Essex Girls, unless you think that simply being a group of women is enough similarity.82.3.210.156 15:32, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

(Oops, originally put this in the wrong bit:) On the Sloane Rangers track - I hadn't ever heard that term before (despite being brought up and living in the UK) but after looking it up I can't say that the term would be comparable to Valley Girl. From what I understand, Sloane Ranger stereotypes actually seem to generally be intelligent and use their brains in some way, whereas this article implies that Valley Girl stereotypes don't. Most definitely though it seems the term Essex Girl is our equivalent. Musical lottie (talk) 00:08, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

The tone of this article is atrocious. It reads like it was written by a "valley girl" in places. I made one correction, but when I skimmed other parts of the article, I just gave up because of how many more problems I found. -128.101.53.240 06:14, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

From age 7-11, from 1980 to 1984, I lived in Woodland Hills, CA, aka the Heart of the Valley. Citations are available on many questions in this article by simple watching movies. The movie Valley Girl and Sixteen Candles use a lot of the lingo. I know what lingo is legit and which are not, and have tried to modify the list. It is a widespread common misconception, for example, that Bart Simpson coined "Don't Have a Cow." ... just like he coined "Asta la vista" right? (Terminator 2). In Sixteen Candles the "hunk" boyfriend tries to calmdown his snotty rich girlfriend by saying "Don't Have a Cow." I'd think this would be reference enough to prove Bart Simpson had nothing to do with it. I also tried to cite the claim that Moonunit basically inspired all the lyrics to Frank Zappa's Valley Girl. Frank Zappa admits this to be true in every interview conducted around the time. Moonunit is also the lead vocal, that you could get from album liner notes. 75.166.32.46 18:18, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Um, it's Moon Unit Zappa, not Moonunit. 68.36.214.143 (talk) 17:54, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sociolect

I'd say valspeak a sociolect, not a dialect, and changed it accordingly... Loial 03:29, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Changed Demographics

I added how the term "Valley Girl" in southern California doesn't mean the same thing anymore as it was back in the 1980's and before, when most valley residents were white. Due to the large-scale influx of illegal immigrants from Mexico since the 1980's, valley households are now overwhelmingly Chicano, usually freshly-arrived, and have little English-language skills. Property values have since gone down, and what were once the valley's prime real estate neighborhoods (North Hollywood, Van Nuys, Reseda, Canoga Park, Sun Valley, Panorama City, North Hills, I could go on...) are now blighted, gang-infested, and horribly deteriorated. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Redcomusic (talk • contribs) 03:04, 21 April 2007 (UTC).

That's bull! I live in Southern California in the L.A. area and the Valley is the same as its ever been. Illegal immigrants cannot afford the $800,000 homes in San Fernando, Van Nuys, North Hollywood and Sherman Oaks. They live in El Monte, Pomona, Upland, Downtown L.A. and the far eastern parts of Santa Monica. Oh, and I don't know if you've been reading the news lately. Property values have been the highest they've ever been in California. Even an unfurnished hole in the ground in Compton fetches as easy $250,000.76.171.53.59

[edit] Unreferenced

This is a nice article, but it's almost entirely unverifiable because there are no sources. Can anybody pitch in and find some more references? ·:· Will Beback ·:· 22:09, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Preventing the Val?

What on earth is this section heading supposed to mean? If it's any of vandalism, nonsense or an in-joke then it needs to be removed and replaced with something more appropriate. 86.136.251.18 15:12, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

That's exactly what ah did. 68.36.214.143 (talk) 17:56, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Films

Should the films Clueless and on a smaller scale Buffy the Vampire Slayer be added to the Films section? Cher (Alicia Silverstone) is the quintessential Valley Girl in the film. Buffy is somewhat one too, they both all the lingo and typically 'do' what valley girls do? 60.234.156.224 02:44, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Agreed! If Clueless doesn't show Valley Girls in pop culture, I don't know what does!98.18.0.179 (talk) 16:48, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

This article is so opinion based it cant be proper encyclopdeic material. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.8.6.21 (talk) 00:14, 22 May 2008 (UTC)