User talk:Vagab

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Vagab, I am angry and upset. I won't do anything tonight, because acting in anger is usually a bad idea. But I beg you to consider my points re adding a picture of the purported Indus Valley sari and a quote from the Tamil epic. Zora 3 July 2005 12:06 (UTC)

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Vagab, I looked at the picture of the Indus Valley statue. All we see of it is the cloth draped over the shoulder. Now compare the clothing shown in this picture of a statue of Gudea, a Mesopotamian ruler, available right here on Wikipedia. That looks even more like a sari -- or a Buddhist monk's robe. Can you really say that Gudea is wearing a sari? That's why I'm dubious of attempts to trace saris back to the Indus Valley civilization -- particularily as sourcing things to the Indus is an Indian nationalist or Hindutva preoccupation.

I would of course agree that since humans started wearing clothing, they wore unstitched cloth draped in various ways. I'm sure that that goes back to the dawn of Indian/Mesopotamian/Persian/Egyptian history. The problem is defining when an unstitched cloth becomes a sari. I'd say it's probably length, and then either the dhoti/fishtail sari tuck, between the legs, or the pallu. But definitions are always a matter for argument. Perhaps we could put THAT in the article?

As to safety pins and saris -- see this discussion, by real women who wear real saris: [1].

I must ask -- are you female? Do you buy saris? Wear saris? Somehow I get a feeling from your contributions that you're male, but I could be wrong. Zora 3 July 2005 21:39 (UTC) (a female)

[edit] Happy Diwali

[edit] Sorry

Sorry, I did not realise the user was vandalising, but now I look at it, I can see that they were malicious edits. Thanks for pointing that out to me, as I did not spot that! :) -- Stwalkerster talk 21:46, 11 July 2007 (UTC)