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[edit] Tamil

A barnstar in appreciation of the "little things" (pun intended on your user page) that you fixed on Tamil language-related pages. Wish you continue to contribute with the same spirit. -- Sundar 05:26, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)

Great work on Tamil language, Arvind. Can you take care of the objections on Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Tamil language till Tuesday when I return back here? Thanks. -- Sundar 12:54, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)

Sure, to the extent I can. The formatting objections are quite beyond my humble wikiing abilities, though. --- Arvind 15:40, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
In relation to that, can you confirm to what extent the added references where used in the writing or fact checking of the article? Thank you - Taxman 14:57, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
(comment left on Taxman's talk page) The section of the article on Geographic distribution has been completely rewritten using four of the books in the references (two of them are now mentioned in the text). I also made changes several weeks ago to the section on History based on another of the references, which I've now again inserted into the text. The analysis in the Examples section is based on standard grammars which are listed in the ancient works section of the references. I've also made several small changes to other sections recently, again based on the references. If you've any suggestions as to how the article could be improved by directly citing references in the text, they'd be gratefully received --- Arvind 15:36, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Great, thank you. That is better than I had hoped. As to inline citations, one way is to simply put the author's last name and the date and/or page numbers of the text in parethesis next to the fact you cited from that source. Such as (Smith, 2003, pp 22-24). One thing I did notice that would be great, is in the example section, the passage is listed in Romanisation and in English. It would be fantastic if it had a third spot showing the Tamil script before the Romanisation. Thanks - Taxman 16:02, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)

Image:WikiThanks.png - A special word of thanks, though insifficient, to you, Arvind. Thanks are also due to Taxman for his constructive comments. -- Sundar 04:56, Feb 23, 2005 (UTC)

And it Tamil language is now featured! -- Sundar 04:10, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)

Arvind, I'd already made this request in Raul's talk page. May be, you can add your support there, so that he'll be reminded of the request. He's the one who decides the featured article for a particular day. -- Sundar 04:55, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Tamil people FAC

Hi Arvind, are you aware that someone has nominated Tamil people for FAC? Please register your vote at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Tamil people. Btw, there is some recent activity in ta:. If you've some time to spend, you can contribute there. Particularly, I seek your help in translating a couple of section in the Tamil article there. Also, I noticed your correction of the translation. I was looking for this word "kin", but didn't strike me. -- Sundar (talk · contribs) 10:39, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

Hi Arvind. I got your message in my talk page. Take your time. We need to take care of our off-wiki life as well :-) As for browsers that render Tamil text reliably on Linux, the answer is "I don't know". I'm facing the same problem. Everytime, I need to connect to a remote windows desktop to edit Tamil :-( Firefox might have some support for Tamil unicode, but on windows it shows the diacritics separate from the consonants. Kasi of thamizmanam.org might help. Will let you know if and when I get more info. Thank you once again for your unparalleled contributions to Tamil people. -- Sundar (talk · contribs) 14:41, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

Arvind, if you haven't noticed, Tamil people is now a FA. Btw, a minor suggestion: though I understand that you mark most of your edits as "minor" on account of humility, I would suggest that you do so only for typo edits and the like. Because, marking edits that others might want to look at/verify as minor is sometimes frowned upon by some people. Thanks. -- Sundar 04:12, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome back

Hi. Noticed your response at Talk:Tamil people. Hope you edit here at least occasionally and possibly at the Tamil Wikipedia too. :-) -- Sundar \talk \contribs 17:15, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] India related links

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[edit] Zoroastrianism on wikipedia :nn

Thanks for your clarification on my talk page. Does that mean that the en:Parsi page's link to nn:Parsarar needs to be changed? (some stub in-between to clarify?)

Just a thought... -- Fullstop 20:31, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] from jayanthv

excuse me ,i have given a apt discussion before editting periayr,i wish you would read and not blindly revert all edits.

what exactly do you mean by telling many buddhists are aethists?do you have sources to support that?even if there is,what is the definiton of a buddhists?one who believes in the followings of "lord Buddha".which runs exactly anti parallel to the definiton of aethism.and i am sorry to say this that the great thanthai periyar was just another hoodwinking politician who acted in many paronoid ways to get notice for his party.and it is evident that he was only an anti hindu,and not anti-god.if he was anti-god,he would have taken a strong offensive stand against all religions,but that would nullify his vote bank,so he did this,in fact they say he was anti upper caste,but he did nothing to uplift dalits,because he spoke nothing against the real oppresors the thevars and the nayaks. I also apologise for my unruly language used in my earlier discussions,please pardon me,i will not repeat it. i also read ur discussion on periyars page and your explanation and i am sure ,you will put up the article you had promised. --Jayanthv86 18:25, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rani Mangammal

i have wikified the Rani Mangammal page,but there are a lot of names which you can write about and expand,so please look into it.--Jayanthv86 04:40, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tamil language

Glad that you've made amends to Tamil language article. Most of the issues raised by an anon at Talk:Tamil language have been addressed. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 12:18, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

All the best with your doctoral work. If it's not a problem, what your field of research is? -- Sundar \talk \contribs 12:41, 25 January 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Tamil script

OK, Arvind. I'll take care. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 13:20, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tamil literature

Arvind, In this edit, you'd referred (Hart 1975), but the citation is missing. Can you please add that? Also, the citation would be useful in a related discussion at Talk:List of English words of Tamil origin. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 12:09, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Arvind. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 05:15, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Paternity leave

Congrats Arvind. :-) -- Sundar \talk \contribs 04:00, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Many congratulations from me also. ImpuMozhi 19:30, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Could you have a look at this?

Hi, I changed what I think was biased writing on the article about Black July, could you have a look at its discussion page? Ulflarsen 16:54, 20 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Wikiproject on Sangam literature

I noticed you wanted to form one. I'm interested :) Kingsleyj 23:43, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Redaktør/Skribent/Bruker...

Problemet er at jeg føler det virker svært pretensiøst å presentere seg som redaktør av wikipedia (jeg regner med du ville sagt redaktør i wikipedia), samtidig som jeg ikke ønsker å gjøre noe poeng av at jeg skriver bedre på bokmål enn på nynorsk. Det kunne vært løst simpelthen ved at man droppet vedhenget "..., og behersker bokmål/nynorsk" på henholdsvis Template:user_nb og Template:user_nn. De som er interessert i distinksjonen, vil oppfatte forskjellen mellom "brukeren" og "brukaren". For meg har den nåværende utformingen av Template:user_nb og Template:user_nn en smak av norsk språkstrid, og derfor ønsker jeg ikke å bruke dem. Samtidig ønsker jeg ikke å presentere meg som redaktør. --vibo56 09:06, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Languages of India

Your inputs could be valuable at Talk:Languages of India#Cleanup. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 13:50, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Appadurai Muttulingam

Hello Arvind, The article will survive the deletion (with all the keeps). So I will not comment on it. Thanks for the update. - Ganeshk (talk) 03:57, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Liberation Tigers

Good for you, for making the change to the introduction. And by the way, congratulations on taking the intellectual leap of splitting the long paragraph into two! Definitely an improvement. Credmond 21:14, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Can the LTTE be described as a "political" organisation?

User Vadakkan had vadalised the discussion page by shoving 3 differnet arguments by three differet users under one topic deleting the original sub headings of the arguments and replacing them with his own sub heading. Thus making it difficult for the user who initiated the topic to find it! This is not allowed in the discussion page.Please refrain from valdalising or you will be reported! Further if you like to experiment you can use the sand box! Thanks 172.130.231.48 19:19, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I encourage you to report me to whoever you choose if you believe I am "vandalising" the page. It is actually quite common to restructure discussion pages to bring related discussions together. It makes discussions easier because one does not have to rehash arguments that have been repeated a little higher up the page, and the heading title was transparent enough to be evident to the reasonable reader. But, as I said, feel free to report me for vandalism. -- Arvind 21:33, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
O.k. since you have a bad attitude I will do so and report your Vandal on changing peoples comments , well more like deleating them!. - Ron - 04:04, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


'Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. '- Ron - 04:22, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your comment requested

Hi, Can you please refer to [1] and offer your comments to solve a minor dispute in the Carnatic music article? Much appreciated. - Parthi 23:26, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Can you comment on my inline questions here? -- Sundar \talk \contribs 07:48, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Create versus edit

I am in ur camp brother, creation is always very much better and then edit, you defend your work and improve it. Case in point the State terrorism in Sri Lanka. AFD is in and I am proud and relived that it began as a shameless piece of propaganda into article worth keeping. Thanks for you input in the discussion pageRaveenS

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical Tamil Inactivity

I have tried to organise this project and created the categories and stub templates suggested by the project template, however there has been a proposal to merge Classical Tamil category with the Tamil literature category. I think it would be better if we make this project include all Tamil literature rather than just 'Classical Tamil literature' we could do better. Perhaps we should rename the project Wikiproject:Tamil literature.

Also I would like to see some more input from other editors in this project. - Parthi 22:23, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

The project isn't supposed to be about the literature, it's supposed to cover the literature amongst other things (language, history). If you would like to expand it to be Wikiproject:Tamil, please go ahead - though for obvious reasons I would very much like to keep politics out of it, and that will be difficult with a broader focus. Let's continue the discussion on the Talk page. -- Arvind 10:33, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] LTTE mediation

Hey there, I was going through the new cases at WP:MEDCAB and I noticed that you are already mediating LTTE, which was listed as a case needed a moderator. I changed the case to "open" since you have it. Let me know if this was in error. Thanks! --Aguerriero (talk) 01:47, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Thanks for your commitment to WP:NPOV regarding the LTTE article. Addhoc 17:05, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kaveri Disputes article

Hi, After a long time, I have completed the Kaveri_River_Water_Dispute article in some shape and form. Most importantly, I've added some refs. Can you please take a look at the article and let me know if there are any glaring POV or anything that has the potential to be seen as POV. If you find anything, please let me know and I will add refs. Also the refs I've already added need some cleanup. Can you help me with this. I only know to add refs the 'plain vanilla' way. Also, while I've added refs for most of the controversial or potentially controversial portions, some parts of the article is still unreferenced. I will add it in due course. For all the above reasons, I've still left the underconstruction tag on. Once I get feedback from you, I'll remove it. I'll also make this request to few other editors, so that we minimise any risk of edit warring on that article. Thanks. Sarvagnya 23:10, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Kaveri Dispute Article

Hi Arvind,

Stand of the two govts: I do not know when you last saw the article. But I made some changes after I posted my prev message to you asking you to take a look. Basically, I've gone into the main grouses of both governments in the introduction part that I added. Please take a look at it and if there is something missing, feel free to add it. Only thing is, if you are going to go into the nitty gritty of their grouses, I suggest you do it under a dedicated section. I think its better to keep the intro as brief as possible.

River Dispute Principles: That info is contained in one of the pdfs I've put in the references also I think. I wanted to add that myself but because of the technical nature of the subject, I found it a little difficult to summarise fairly without ommitting anything. Anyway, if you want to volunteer to do it, please go ahead. Once again the only request is, make sure that its presence doesnt take the focus away from the dispute which is central to the article. Infact, I am not sure, but I think I had seen an article on WP about the subject. Cant seem to find it now. If it is there, you could make use of it too.

Politics involved: I made a mention of this in the introduction I added after my previous message to you. But I agree that you can go over it in a section dedicated to it. I had also read about how winning in the kaveri districts has been vital for parties in both states.

wider context of the problem of water resources in India : imho: This one I am not so sure. In all fairness, it should certainly find a mention. But try to keep it as brief as possible.

Also, the section covering 2003-2006 needs to be expanded a bit and references added. If you can do that, fine. Or else leave it to me as I've done all the digging around for references already. I will do it in due course.

Thanks. Sarvagnya 07:42, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Halmidi inscription

Hi. I believe you were making enquires about the Halmidi inscription. There exists a book by G.S. Gai (if i am not wrong) called Kadamba inscriptions. Gai was the chief Govt. epigraphist for ASI and he deciphered all the Kadabma inscriptions and wrote about it . You may find info on the Halmidi characters there, unless the book was written prior to the discovery of the halmidi inscription. I have now added Badami chalukya inscriptions from 6th and 8th centuries to the Kannada page. We had once discussed bringing out the evolution of the Kannada characters. This is a begining. Next year if/when I travel thru Hassan I shall make it a point to stop at Halmidi and photograph the prototype they have replaced the original with (in fibre glasss). In the meantime, enjoy the Chalukya inscriptions.

Dineshkannambadi

[edit] Help needed in Carnatic Music edit wars

Arvind, the following is the message I left in User: Sunder's talk page and User:Venu62's talk page :

I find that two users Skris and Sarvagnya are reverting edits completely unreasonably. I have provided evidences from authentic sources and yet, they are pusing for their POV rather than being neutral and inclusive. The Carntic Music page has not progressed due to such unreasonable edits. The time put in to improve the article gets wasted. I don't know how to seek arbitration. I've already posted a copy of this in User Venu62 who had maintained objectivity in a tireless manner. Please advise.--Aadal 05:21, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History of Tamil Nadu

Hi Arvind, I have inserted extensive citations in the History of Tamil Nadu article. I think it is now in a state for a round of copyedit and review. If you could spare some time to go through this article, we can move towards peer review and then FAC. Appreciate your help - Parthi talk/contribs 06:54, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Brahminical culture and Dravidians

Arvind, I apologise for bringing up one task or another for you. Please see what can be done to the mess that the article on Brahminical culture and Dravidians, whatever the title seeks to imply. This has been moved from the earlier Dravidians and Hinduism. I look forward to your cleanup help and comments. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 09:21, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Yep, it's a total mess. Looks like whatever that can be salvaged from it should be moved to appropriate articles and this article deleted pending scoping and a rewrite from scratch. Consider commenting on the requested move in the talk page. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 10:23, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] re: Transcription proposal

Arvind, I had a good break during Deepavali. Had a look at your proposal; looks like it's a step in the right direction. While I'm no expert in this, I'll try to comment on each proposal based on what I feel. I've also requested comments from some knowledgeable Tamil Wikipedians. Let's arrive at something here. By the way, I liked the karpalagai metaphor. :) -- Sundar \talk \contribs 06:54, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

On a totally unrelated note, you might find ta:எம்.ஜி.ஆர். கொலை முயற்சி வழக்கு, 1967 interesting and given your background, you might help in getting us references to court papers and all. If you got some "pure Tamil" word suggestions for legal terms too, the article would benefit. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 09:29, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your browser rendering of Tamil script

Hi Arvind. I'm currently on Linux, so I'm just recalling from memory. If you're on windows, go to control panel -> settings -> languages -> select the check box corresponding to "script support for Thai, Indic, etc.," or something like that. It will install the appropriate packages if you insert your Windows installation CD at this point. However, on Linux I'm living with misrendered text. :( Some people have managed to tweak their system to render Tamil script correctly though. See if WP:COMPLEX or ta:Wikipedia:Font help helps. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 07:10, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I found just now that Konqueror renders it correctly in my Red Hat Enterprise Linux box. So, I'm going to use Konqueror for Tamil editing and firefox for the others! -- Sundar \talk \contribs 10:02, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for your response on copyrights for Indian govt work. I am afraid I saw the response only today and have responded back. Shyamal 06:41, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry

Sorry, we may have been editing the India page at the same time and I probably inadvertently reverted some of the changes you made: unitary-->federal. Please make them again. Fowler&fowler 15:15, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hortus Malabaricus

Thanks for your help on Hortus Malabaricus . :-) --Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 05:46, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tamil in FARC

Arvind, Tamil language is in FARC. If we don't act together to fix perceived problems, it will lose the FA status. Please take a look.--Aadal 13:24, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Arvind, THANK you so much! You being so much specific reference and elegantly steer clear of controversy! I don't know what will happen to Tamil language page, but some people are simply ruining it. So much more can be written (informative, neutral and non-partisan), but the actions of some of the editors who don't understand Tamil is hurting the chances of retaining FA. Greatly appreciate your input and help.--Aadal 16:32, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Happy New Year!!

Happy New Year Arvind! Please take a look at the Tamil language FARC. We're not still there. We want to keep our FA in the new year! Tony has suggested that I try and book you and Sundar for a few hours. I'll seek extra time. I tried to solicit help from the league of copyeditors as well. There are only a few tags and I believe I can fix them. Sorry to bother you when you're busy !--Aadal 19:16, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Arvind, thanks for posting a request on India noticeboard.--Aadal 21:36, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] article request

romanisation of tamil--Ravishankar 10:25, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright questions

Hi. Please see this. The copyright status of couple of the images you uploaded has been questioned. Parthi talk/contribs 00:17, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wow!

Boy, you really nailed the issue! Thanks dude, I appreciate that you understood what I was trying to do and let me and others know it too! I mean it - the issue and the bickering kinda fuzzed out my brain for a bit. Rama's arrow (just a sexy boy) 17:23, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the links

Arvind, Your timing couldn't be better. I was just putting together an article on the sources of ancient tamil history. I had collected epigraphic and numismatic data, and was about to expand the archaeological section. The link and the paper you provided seem quite informative and will prove more than handy. Thanks. Lotlil 21:59, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] References

Hi Arvind. Some books listed under the references section of the Tamil language article are not cited inline. Could you have a look as to where they need to be cited or if they can be removed? I think some of them can be used in the grammar section. For example, the statement on uriccol could use "Kāṅkēyar (1840). Uriccol nikaṇṭurai. Putuvai, Kuveṟaṉmā Accukkūṭam". -- Sundar \talk \contribs 06:08, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi Sundar. Most of those references were actually used when the article was written. At some stage, I took out most references to "native" grammars of Tamil to forestall objections and claims of OR, POV and the suchlike, which were coming fast and thick. I still think it's probably safer if we stick to "western" grammars of Tamil. I have a copy of Pope, plus a couple of other shorter descriptions of Tamil grammatical. Let me know which bits you think need citing, and I'll add them in.
I must say I'm also a little perplexed by the suggestion that only references that've been cited should be in the "References" section. This is absolutely contrary to encyclopaedic practice - the references list in a typical longer Britannica article, for example, doubles up as a list of suggestions for further reading. One would have thought that the English Wikipedia, if it aims to be a serious rival, would want to do something of that sort, but I've long since given up trying to find logic in its policies. -- Arvind 12:06, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Personally, I don't think the grammar section is contentious. But, just to make it more robust, please add citations for "uriccol", lack of articles, presence of both inclusive and exclusive pronouns, if you can find any. The official policy WP:CITE#HOW provides for including books in references without citing them when large parts of the text rely on them. The problem is with disruptive editors. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 12:20, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Done! -- Arvind 08:36, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, Arvind. By the way, just have a look at the recent edits to Tamil people after your last edit. I'm not knowledgeable about that issue. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 08:44, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Halmidi

Yes I need to upload into commons, along with about 400 other images (mostly architecture/Kannada inscriptions related).:) Dineshkannambadi 00:56, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A subtle change that needs your attention

Hi Arvind. Do you think this is a correct characterisation? -- Sundar \talk \contribs 05:23, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd noticed the change when it was made. It reflects one (rather recent) POV, but I didn't have the energy to get drawn into a debate and I was hoping someone else would deal with it. Tamils aren't "multi ethnic" in the sense one usually uses the term. However, talking about "ethnicity" in the context of India is problematic, because of the various meanings the group can have. Are the descendents of Telugu or Sinhala or Arab migrants who adopted the Tamil language and ways "ethnically" Tamil? It depends on the definition of "ethnicity" one chooses to adopt. The secondary literature usually refers to Tamils as an "ethnic group" on the basis of common cultural and linguistic traits and the assertion of a Tamil identity, but if you adopt ancestry or origin as your basis you'll get to a different conclusion. My inclination is to simply change it to "people", which is the wording the Britannica uses. What do you think? -- Arvind 10:26, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
I agree and have changed "group" to "people". -- Sundar \talk \contribs 15:22, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chennai

Hi Arvind, I don't know if you noticed, Chennai is currently being reviewed for being delisted, at FAR. Please take a look at the article when you get a chance. Thanks. Lotlil 14:20, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Civility

Sundar, thank you for your comments on Talk:Tolkāppiyam, which I really appreciate very much, but it's not worth making an issue of. Leave it be. And thanks again for your support. -- Arvind 17:01, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes. But, a single editor becoming the arbiter for whether properly sourced content should belong in an article at all, whether the interpretation by the cited source is "correct" (read: POV) etc., is unacceptable. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 12:59, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
I know, that's not how things should be. This is not really a new issue, though, and I'm not sure it's going to change. Well, let's see how to best deal with it. -- Arvind 13:33, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pancha Marapu

Arvind/Vadakkan: Thanks for the Pancha Marapu edit to restore it to regular status and for supplying matter from Zvelebil and Ramanathan. perichandra1 15:19, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

My pleasure. I'll try to develop it a bit more once my books come out of their cartons. -- Arvind 13:14, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] re: Article title

I'd prefer Sangattamil. But, I don't know what Wiki policy recommends. Classical Tamil, I'm afraid, might be misunderstood by some and Old Tamil doesn't sound like a name. :-) Whatever name you write it under, I'm looking forward to the article. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 04:38, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Just to let you know why I've not put this article out as yet: I found out that Herman Tieken recently (two months or so ago) wrote a paper in a German journal which takes issue with Mahadevan's assertion that the language of the Sangam poems is the same as the language of the Tamil Brahmi kalvettus. Since, as you know, Tieken's views are taken very seriously on Wikipedia (even more so than by scholars), I thought there wasn't much point doing the article until I'd had a read of the paper and incorporated Tieken's criticisms. I've asked my library to get me a copy, but it's taking time getting here, and it'll then take time to read too, since it's almost certainly in German (which I read, but slowly). Anyway, it'll get done in a while, once I have the materials I need to do a comprehensive job. -- Arvind 23:13, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Sure Arvind. A thorough job there would preclude POV-pushers riding on Tieken upsetting balance. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 08:20, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Evidentiality

As a native speaker, I've never realised the nature of info provided by this verb marker. Good to know this. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 12:25, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Blackmails and threats from Kannada edit

Arvind Please see this threat by one wikiuser: [[2]] Is this the way Wiki operates. I thought I should report this to Wiki admin. I have tried to edit and then when reverted gave extensive arguments to support my edits. What does one do in this case? perichandra1 19:56, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Toda RfC

Hi Arvind, Since you have already commented a number of times in the RfC on other people's comments, I thought it might be a good idea to register your own comments formally under your own name. I think it will help to have your arguments all in one place, rather than as addenda to other people's comments. Thanks! Also, in the brief snatches of time I could find today, I've managed to update the Toda people article a little. Regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 18:34, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry for not replying to your message on my talk page earlier - work pressures have been keeping me frightfully busy, so I've not been here very much. The issue seems to have moved on quite a bit now, so an express comment on the suitability of that image would probably be redundant. Incidentally, I note that you're planning to upload Vinod Panicker's images. I've already uploaded a few to Commons at commons:Category:Images from doniv.org, and I plan to upload more over the next few days. If you don't mind, could you please add the images you upload to that category, so we don't unnecessarily duplicate each other's work. Thanks. -- Arvind 22:45, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Malayalee

Thank you for taking part in the discussion. I've been trying to make it clear to those two editors (Tulu War and Dayaanjali) that Malayalam originated from Old Tamil (or Proto-Tamil-Malayalam) for a long time. They think that Malayalam has nothing to do with Tamil and that it hasn't originated from Tamil at all. --vi5in[talk] 00:27, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello please ignore this person's comment. He is bluffing.we have not told anything contradicting the relationship b/w 2 languages. He has not provided any link(atleast) which says the words(Malai and aali) come from any language. I think wikipedia is not the place to add unvarifed content and anyone's political views.Tulu war 17:48, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tamil help

Thank u very much. Taprobanus 22:35, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

My pleasure entirely - it's reminded me just how beautiful the Tamil names for some places in the Northeast are. I'm afraid Mylanthanai has beaten me though - I have no idea what Tamil word that spelling attempts to represent. -- Arvind 22:55, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
It is written as how you would write Mayil (peacock) lanthanai (no retroflex). Thanks Taprobanus 13:14, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Done. -- Arvind 21:15, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

The toponymic analysis of Mylanthanai has now been included. Its meaning is trivial when you consider its old Sinhalese name. Bodhi dhana (talk) 06:26, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Transferring pics from Tamilpedia to En

How do I transfer pics that are in the Tamilpedia to English section? Thanks Taprobanus 16:21, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi Taprobanus. The easiest way to move pictures is to use Magnus Manske's "move to commons helper", which is accessible here: http://tools.wikimedia.de/~magnus/commonshelper.php. The language code for Tamil is ta. Once the file's been moved to commons, you can use it on the English wikipedia, and on all other wikimedia projects. -- Arvind 21:15, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Taprobanus 18:29, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

I was pleasantly surprised to hear from you on the "paharia women" image talk page. I have replied there. Thanks! Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:14, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

The Working Man's Barnstar
For your tireless effort in providing Tamil place names for English articles Taprobanus 21:25, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] BL Image issue

Thanks for weighing in on the image issue. I was thinking of pinging you myself but left in a hurry on thursday. As for the issue of the watermark, which you seem to think is irrelevant... well.. my argument is a little more nuanced than I could manage to present that day. My basic question/argument is this - assuming that it is indeed a watermarked copy of a faithful reproduction of the original and not a photograph of a photograph, does not the watermarking amount to the 'creation' of a new photograph? Butseriously says that it doesnt. What do you think? Because if it does, then the copyright well and truly belongs to BL as in fact, they explicitly claim.

Another point which I'm trying to get clarification for has to do with the date of publication. Since the couple of pd tags that have been discussed on that talk page hinge on the date of publication, do you think we should be a little more careful in not equating the date of creation and the date of publication. Agreed, that the two may not be very different in most cases, but I feel that the point needs to be considered and factored into policy.. if it hasnt already. Or if policy already has considered it, would you be able to shed light about how that was achieved or just simply any relevant thoughts on it. Thanks. More later. Sarvagnya 23:36, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello Sarvangya. You're quite right about the relevance of the distinction between the date of creation and the date of publication and of the fact that it's the latter that's relevant - this is pretty much what Wikipedia policy also says. It's policed somewhat more carefully on Commons than here, but I can't imagine a picture not being deleted if the term hasn't run out calculated from the date of publication.
Re the watermark, there is a threshold of originality that must be crossed in order for a work to be copyrightable. Mechanically adding a watermark or a logo to an existing picture will not normally cross that threshold of originality. It might be different if, for example, someone had added a Stella Artois or other brand logo to Picasso's portrait of Sabartes, but adding the BL's logo done is quite far from that and will not create a new copyright. I hope this helps, and feel free to just ask if you have any questions. -- Arvind 16:26, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Tamil needed" tags

Hello Watchdogb. I notice you've tagged Kalmunai massacre and Sri Lankan Civil War as requiring Tamil text. This tag is usually applied when, for example, an article about a Tamil place, person, film, book or some such thing does not have his / her / its name in Tamil script (or where they're mentioned in an article in a context that requires their name to be provided in Tamil script). Looking at these articles, I'm not sure exactly what they lack the Tamil script for. Could you let me know exactly what you're looking for, so I can try to add it? -- Arvind 09:20, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I was looking for a Tamil article on those two English articles. I thought that was how I should ask someone proficient in Tamil to write about those two article. I did not know that the tags I added were for a text. Anyways, sorry for my mistake. Thanks for approaching me about it because now I know what to use that template for. Thanks Watchdogb 19:25, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi :) I'd do it, but I have a few technical problems on my computer that prevent me from being able to use or contribute to the Tamil Wikipedia - and, in any event, I find it writing about the Sri Lankan situation a little too emotionally draining. I'd say the best place to ask would be the Village Pump on Tamil Wikipedia, which is at ta:Wikipedia:ஆலமரத்தடி - their coverage of the Sri Lankan conflict is not anywhere near as comprehensive as this wikipedia's, but you may find someone there interested enough to take it up. -- Arvind 23:03, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your suggestions. I know exactly what you mean because emotions do run wild when writing about massacres like Kalmunai. I hope your technical problems can be fixed very soon. Your contributions are awesome and keep up the good work. See you around Anna Watchdogb 01:44, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dhalla pic

Do you have (or could you make) a higher res image of Image:Parsi wedding portrait with Dastur MN Dhalla.jpg? Specifically, the picture of Dhalla (for the Maneckji Nusserwanji Dhalla article)? Thanks. -- Fullstop 18:29, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi Fullstop. Unfortunately I don't. I got that picture from a friend in Bombay - it was a pretty small print to start out with, and the scanner wasn't that good. I'll try and see if I can track down a better one, but perhaps you might have more luck? -- Arvind 09:45, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Need help

I want to create a list of Kings based on the infor box kings used by the Ganga dynasty article for Jaffna Kingdom article that I am developing. Can you help to locate the source code for that template please ? Thanks Taprobanus 00:01, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

The source code is at Template:Western Ganga Kings Infobox. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 04:13, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, the article Jaffna Kingdom is alomost done, can you take a look and do any copy edit ? 16:42, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks and keep a "watch" please. Taprobanus (talk) 21:47, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] P int of India

As my talk page says, am on a break and will be on a break for a few more weeks atleast. So I do not have the time to go through the article in detail, but simply looking at the overall organisation of the article, I must congratulate you on what appears like a thorough, professional job. Looks simply awesome. Trust you to polish it further in any way you see fit. More later.. once i am back from my break. Thanks and regards. Sarvagnya 12:06, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Also can you harvardize the India#Government section references. KnowledgeHegemony 13:39, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Primary Sources

According to Wikipedia' NOR guidlines there is no special preference given to a primary or secondary hence, I feel the primary sources should be kept along with the secondary, especially for the laws stated in the Constitution. Thanks. KnowledgeHegemony 15:57, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Political integration of India

Featured or not, the article as it stands seems to me as the best summary on the subject. Congratulations. A picture of V P Menon could've made it "complete", but I couldn't find any free pic that we could use. Perhaps we should ask at the wishlist here for a hi-res version of the photo here. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 12:52, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Sorta back

Arvind, I'm sorta back and can spend a few hours a week. Please tell me if I can be of use. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 03:20, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Am doing fine, just got a little busy. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 15:21, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

In the english language school text book published by Department of School Education, Government of Tamil Nadu, India [3], the title of the third chapter of the 10 grade social science book is "The First War of Indian Independence (Great Revolt of 1857) - End of East India Company's Rule" (please see: [4]). Looks like (and I hope) that the debate on title "First War of Independence" is now closed, but just wanted to let you know in case the debate pops up again and I may have to use this reference.

Thank You Desione (talk) 05:00, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi Desione. Interesting, thanks for pointing that out. If you look at the History textbook for Std. XII (which was the one I looked at), the chapter is called "Great Revolt of 1857", with "First war of independence" not even mentioned in parantheses. Funnily enough, the Tamil version of the Std. X textbook uses the word "perumpuratchi" - which actually means 'great revolution' or 'great uprising' - rather than "perunkalakam", which means 'great revolt.' Anyway, as you say, it seems to have been sorted out now. -- Arvind (talk) 21:56, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
For your extremely wise words at User_talk:Ncmvocalist#Please.2C_for_your_own_sake.21 - given by Spartaz Humbug! 13:33, 13 March 2008 (UTC), and fully endorsed by Ncmvocalist (talk) 15:51, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Just Tired

Hi Arvind, I have to apologize for not getting around to doing some things I was supposed to (like getting some maps on WikiCommons and talking to my Urdu experts).

I'm feeling frustrated from all the fighting that lately seem to take place on whatever page I decide to edit. Speaking of which, could you take a look at the post I made on Dwaipayan's talk page? And give me some feedback? Thanks. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 07:33, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

I have not come across that book, as I concentrate on the sub varity, I have the follwing book

About the flag, It is a generic flag, Vel festival is a festival held by the Kathiresan Temple in Bambalapitiya in Colombo. Number of other temples also participate such as the Bambalapitiya Pillaiyar Temple. These temples were established about 100 years ago by the Natukottai Chetties Taprobanus (talk) 12:48, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Carnatic music

Nilakana Sastri's book on Cholas (published in 1955) has section on their temple culture that was a precursor to Carnatic Music and Bharatanatyam. You should get it, if you already do not have it. Also the K. Indrapala's Evolution of an ethnic identity... puts it together as to how Chola Art forms directly lead to Bharatanatyam forms in sculptures in Sri Lanka. Indrapal quotes Nilakanta Sastri extensively. Taprobanus (talk) 02:47, 24 March 2008 (UTC) copied from User_talk:Aadal to preserve the context

There'll not be any point in that - the response will be that Nilakanta Sastri and Indrapala are not musicologists and hence not reliable as far as that article is concerned. And as experience with citing Sambamurthy, Emmie te Nijenhuis, Ramanathan, etc. has shown, even producing musicological sources doesn't really help. My own inclination is to retreat from the topic until these people come up with a solution - those guidelines should help deal with situations like these, and trying to do anything is just an unproductive waste of time until then. A few days ago, I realised to my horror that there is no information at all about Iraiyanar Akapporul anywhere on the web. As a result, I've started work on an article on that, and I can't imagine how that article could ever be controversial. We have a few scattered sub-articles, but nothing about the entirety of Akam poetry or Puram poetry, nor about the major literary forms, such as Kovais, and virtually no information about Tamil prosody (yappu). So there's enough to keep us busy until then. -- Arvind (talk) 09:18, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Arvind, Thanks for your comment and I fully understand it, "And as experience with citing Sambamurthy, Emmie te Nijenhuis, Ramanathan, etc. has shown, even producing musicological sources doesn't really help...". But the point is -there should be no objection to explicit facts such as inscriptions at the least (if they are not relevant to Carnatic music virtually none of the other material in it is. We all have provided WP:RS from reputable sources, but it is atrocious that they are all removed by just a group action of editors -the edit histories are all available - not just on this one topic but anything that has even remote connection with Tamil or Tamil Nadu. The comments are so uncivil! I entirely agree that there is no point "fighting" and "reverting" etc. But, when well cited material are added, is there not a way to stop a group of editors from removing it. I don't know how to seek admin support for adding well cited authentic facts. Right now one can see there is absolutely no reference to 2300 years of musical traditions of Tamils or Tamil Nadu. --Aadal (talk) 13:56, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
At the moment, there actually isn't anything that can be done about it. The vast majority of admins refuse to touch anything that has anything to do with a content dispute. Sometimes you'll find a dedicated bunch of admins who will crack down on a content dispute - as happened in Wikipedia:WikiProject Sri Lanka Reconciliation - but that's the exception rather than the rule. The problem isn't unique to issues related to Tamil - it's happening in dozens of areas on Wikipedia, which is why the Arbitration Committee has constituted a working group to deal with the problem. They should come up with recommendations in a few months which, hopefully, will make it easier to deal with this situation, and others concerning Tamil history and culture. It seems to me that the best thing to do is wait and see what procedures they come up with - this article has been having issues for nearly two years, a few more months won't make any difference. -- Arvind (talk) 15:03, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks indeed for your wise comments. Agree. --Aadal (talk) 15:22, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Copy edit req

Sri Lankan Tamil people not done 100% if you have time Taprobanus (talk) 23:37, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Great! I'll take a look soon - I'm not a great copyeditor, but I'll have a read anyway. -- Arvind (talk) 12:53, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Hogenekkal town?

Thanks Arvind. Have incorporated the ref into the article, and posted a note on Ganesh's talk page informing him of the same. - Max - You were saying? 20:13, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] nuisance editors

hi three / four people (or the same person using adjacent cabin computer?) (with user names similar to gaaaneshk, maaaximvsdecimvs, mmmmcm19 -user names altered to conceal their identity) think their view is A L W A Y S right, BUT NEVER HAVE THE GUTS TO SHOW VALID REFERENCES...but they delete VALID REFERENCED content from other users if it pricks their personal opinion...hope we monitor the changes that this cotery of lie mongerers propagate ...hoping for your cooperation..hope no one else has a shock of their life when misquotations are passed on as quotations!!! Ksense (talk) 13:19, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] email

do you have an email? Sarvagnya 22:27, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Telugu and Kannada

Thanks for the note you left here. I have another question about the form or spelling of Karṇaṭaka. In Tamil, although not meaning the same, when one writes கருநாடகம் the n there is dental, d is retroflex and "k" is pronounced g. If the word is written as Karṇaṭaka, what would the meaning (in Skt? in Kannada?)? Sanskrit and Kannada both have all the letters - dental n, retroflex n, retroflex t and d, k and g. The Kannada word for country, I believe is naadu (correct me if I'm wrong), where the first letter n is dental and the other consonant is d and not t. There appears to be too many features of linguistic incongruence here in writing Karṇaṭaka (except that that is how it is written in Sanskrit). If Srinatha says "Karnata bhasha", it is neither Karṇaṭaka bhasha nor Kannada bhasha. What are the historical evidences that Karnata bhasha refers to the Kannada bhasha and not bhasha of the Karnataka region of the empire of his days (perhaps referring to Kannada and Telugu, or simply Telugu of the Karnataka region)? Thanks--Aadal (talk) 21:39, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chola dynasty now in FAR

A user, Sarvagnya has nominated Chola dynasty in FAR. Would you please help? Thanks.

Chola Dynasty has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.

--Aadal (talk) 23:25, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Citations

Hi Arvind. Happy to see you save the day for Tamil. By the way, do you happen to have "Negotiations with the past : classical Tamil in contemporary Tamil"? I read the summary of this book in the French Institute of Pondicherry[5] catalogue. The summary says how "modern Tamil derives most of its vocabulary and syntax from Classical Tamil literature". If we get the actual quote inside the book, it would be helpful. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 11:24, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

By the way, regarding the ability to express complex ideas in Science, Art, etc., an evidence for that matter is in Tamil Wikipedia, where we tend to use terms formed ab initio from Tamil roots (which are "simple" and common in everyday usage). Check out the article on Bonobo, for instance. Suddenly, I feel like getting a lot of clarity of those topics reading in Tamil. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 13:18, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Good to know you liked it. It was almost entirely written by a single person, who doesn't edit here regularly. I just made minor edits to that article. ta:பட்டாம்பூச்சி is another good article written by Prof.Selvakumar. Of the articles that I started, ta:மௌ டம், ta:கேண்டரின் கோணல்கோடு நிறுவல்முறை, ta:கிப்பன்_பண்டம், ta:எம்.ஜி.ஆர்._கொலை_முயற்சி_வழக்கு,_1967, ta:பகடிப்பட_இயற்பியல், and ta:அபிலீன்_முரண்படு_மெய்மை are a few decent ones.
I can understand your feelings regarding what's happening here even without getting to read all those "failed words". Please take it cool. Let's remove that sentence until we can find a RS to back it. In the meanwhile, you can spend some time reading and contributing to the Tamil Wikipedia. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 16:36, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Dear Arvind, the Tamil wiki article on Bonobo was written by one Vendan Arasu (வேந்தன் அரசு இயற்பெயர் ராஜு ராஜேந்திரன்) from Ohio. I was following some trail that led to Sundar's page and then I landed here. I can't believe what will happen to Tamil-related pages on English Wiki without such wonderful contributions from you, Sundar and few other dedicated persons! Many Tamils would be grateful! When you get some time, please visit Tamil Wiki too and offer some of your valuable suggestions. Sundar had talked about you quite a few times. Regards --C.R.Selvakumar (talk) 20:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dating issues

Hi Arvind. We should produce the quotes from RS and get the lead rewritten in the Tamil language article. It's an eyesore now. I don't care if the dates get pushed forward or behind (after a decision by neutral people), but let this issue be resolved for once and the article look saner. Please see this discussion and help with quotes when you're back. Sorry that I'm not of much use here without access to most of those journals. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 07:37, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree it is an eyesore. In point of fact, though, I'm not too sure we even need to discuss the age of Tamil literature in so much detail in the lead. At best, we'd need a reference to the earliest Tamil-Brahmi inscriptions as examples of early attestation of the language. I'm thinking about a complete rewrite along the lines of the leads in Swedish language or Turkish language, which are actually a lot more informative about the language than the lead in Tamil language. We can deal with the history section once that's done. I'd welcome your thoughts. -- Arvind (talk) 09:39, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes, age of literature is merely one aspect among so many others. I like the Swedish and Turkish leads. We should do better justice to this article which is viewed more than 50,000 times every month and arguably (still) the best summary availably freely on the subject. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 11:28, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tamil nationalism

I agree that Sri Lankan Tamil nationalism needs its own page, but Indian Tamil nationalism and Sri Lankan Tamil nationalism are not two unconnected entities. There is a literature exploring the similarities and differences between the two, the extent to which the two influenced each other, and the extent to which they drew on a common past. To simply turn Tamil nationalism into a disambiguation page ignores all of this. Also note that the Tamil wikipedia itself has a substantive article at its equivalent page, ta:தமிழ்த் தேசியம். -- Arvind (talk) 11:00, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I feel it is better to discuss this matter over email. Can you please email me or specify your email so we can get things sorted out ? Thanks Watchdogb (talk) 13:37, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
The Tamil nationalism is equal to French Nationalism of France and Sri Lankan Tamil Nationalism is equal to Quebec's French minorities French Nationalism, although bot share similarities but are different entities. My opinion Taprobanus (talk)
I think I understand what your concern is. Would it be taken care of if we turn the Tamil Nationalims (current dis- ambiguous) page into a page that explores the similarities and differences between the two, the extent to which the two influenced each other, and the extent to which they drew on a common past. Also can you please tell me the literature that explore these two in detail ? I am willing to write the article! Furthermore, the Indian Tamil Nationalism could be well developed but I am lacking some academic sources. Can you also point me in the right direction ? Watchdogb (talk) 18:45, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Dissam pagaes have become article pages still being used as a diassam page as well. Taprobanus (talk) 20:23, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I have fixed the problem, Tamil nationalism directs to Tamil Nationalism (India) and it has a dissam page as listed as other uses that directs to a Dissam page. That should satisfy your requirements ? no ? Thanks Taprobanus (talk) 13:27, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Not really, but I'll return to the issue in a while. -- Arvind (talk) 09:42, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
How about it now ? Taprobanus (talk) 13:59, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RFA Thanks

Thanks for your support at my recent Request for adminship. I hope you find I live up to your expectations. Best, Risker (talk) 16:37, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Amritasagara

My source (Narasimhacharya) does not mention Gunasagarar's commentary, just Amritasagara's prosody Yapparunga.... Please tell me which source you refered to.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 00:41, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'm currently studying the Yapparungalakkarikai, and in the process I happened to notice that the reference was in the commentary rather than in the text itself. It's borne out by the Madras Tamil Lexicon's entry for "kunakankiyam". If you look at the online version (romanised), the reference it gives is "karikai, payiravurai"(i.e. karikai, commentary on the payiram section). I should add that it's not really a major issue - I just thought you might be interested in knowing. -- Arvind (talk) 22:05, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned non-free media (Image:Adolf Hitler at Berchtesgaden.ogg)

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