Talk:USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72)

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We need to do something about the Flag on this page, It's the US Flag not the US Naval Jack, since September 11th 2001 all US naval vessels have flown the US wartime Jack

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Naval_Jack_of_the_United_States.svg But I am Getting annoyed with all My Edits being undone, so Does anyone else feel that change needs be made?Therubicon (talk) 17:07, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

There is a humorous story going around the internet, which reads:

This is the actual transcript of a radio interchange between a US Naval ship and Canadian Authorities off the coast of Newfoundland. AMERICANS:Please divert your course 15 degrees north in order to avoid collision. CANADIANS: We reccomend you divert YOUR course 15 degrees south in order to avoid a collision. AMERICANS: THis is the captain of a US Navy Ship. I say again, divert YOUR course. CANADIANS: No. I say again, divert YOUR course. AMERICANS: THIS IS THE COMMANDER OF THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER USS LINCOLN, THE SECOND LARGEST SHIP IN THE US ATLANTIC FLEET. WE ARE ACCOMPANIED BY THREE DESTROYERS, THREE CRUISERS, AND NUMEROUS SUPPORT SHIPS. I DEMAND THAT YOU DIVERT YOUR COURSE 15 DEGREES NORTH, THAT'S ONE FIVE DEGREES NORTH, OR COUNTER-MEASURES WILL BE TAKEN TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THIS SHIP. CANADIANS: We are a lighthouse. Your call.

Can anyone confirm if this was true? I doubt it but it's worth checking out, I believe. JnB987 02:55, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)

False. [1] RADICALBENDER★ 03:51, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)

True. The former british Member of parliament Martin Bell presents this as a true story. Dolive21 12:19, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Then Martin Bell is wrong. This is an old Reader's Digest joke and has been retold for the last 3 decades or more with a variety of ship names and nationalities. Sometimes the ship is British, sometimes it's a battleship. It's an old joke and not true. ---B- 07:02, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

It seems unlikely. Martin Bell Is extremly well respected, and has a reputation for telling the truth. Dolive21 14:36, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

FALSE. This is wrong for three reasons. 1. The USS Abraham Lincoln was the largest warship afloat in the Pacific fleet due to it's displacement in 1995 (until the USS John C. Stennis was commissioned). 2. The USS Abraham Lincoln has been in the Pacific Fleet since 1990. 3. USS Abraham Lincoln was returning from it's thrid deployment in October of 1995 when this is said to have occured. My last cruise :)Du FlyDu Fly 05:09, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

False. See http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/questions/litehuse.html 71.85.197.66 00:36, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Is there even any need to keep any mention of this story on the page? It's not true, it's been told so many times about so many different vessels it's not even specific to the Lincoln and it may even be a little anti-American. The paragraph looks clumsy and superfluous --StoneColdCrazy 19:19, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

I've moved it to the references section, as it is not a part of the ship's history. --StoneColdCrazy 22:54, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 "Mission Accomplished" banner 2 Flight suit info removed? 3 The "Partial Ejection" Incident of '91 4 Out Of Time video 5 Maybe a pop-culture reference?

[edit] "Mission Accomplished" banner

I think this is the right place to describe the banner episode, because it involves the ship and crew intimately (even if only to be used like toilet paper :-) ). Seems like it would get lost in a larger article on the Bush presidency or the Iraq war, here it's an interesting bit that you won't find in the official Navy story. A pic would round it out, show what all the fuss was about. Stan 07:42, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

• I agree, but I decided to keep this incident seperate from the ships history, so I put it in its own catagory. You can change it if you want. TomStar81 11:02, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

That's good. BTW, "minor" changes are spelling fixes and the like that don't change content. I was mystified as to where all the additional content had come from, until it occurred to me to check the minor edits in the history too. One little cheat for spelling errors is to make links out of all the special terms; at 340K+ articles, if a link is red, there's a good chance it's a misspelling of an existing article. Stan 14:05, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the spelling tip. I'll keep that in mind. TomStar81 00:18, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Flight suit info removed?

Wwoods, I've asked you on your usertalk page, but have yet to see a response, so I'll ask my question here again: Why are you removing the information on Bush having worn a flight suit for his landing on the Lincoln? Would you prefer to call it something else? Otherwise I don't understand your position, as photographs of his attire are readily available. · Katefan0^(scribble) 13:18, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

• • Nevermind, I see you've answered. I think everything can be fixed to everyone's satisfaction. · Katefan0^(scribble) 13:29, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

Bush's reputation for cowboy machismo seems to have colored some people's recollection of the event. Bush wore a flight suit for his flight out to the carrier--and changed out of it before giving his speech. The text and a link to a video of the speech are available at http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/05/iraq/20030501-15.html .

The flight itself was sort of a stunt, but it seems to me that wearing a flight suit for a trip on a warplane is about as noteworthy as wearing a hard hat while visiting a construction site--it's a piece of equipment, not a uniform. (Also, I'd bet he was wearing, not carrying, his helmet until after the plane landed.)

—wwoods 20:01, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

I appreciate your opinion but the flightsuit was included in criticism of the entire photo op and as such it's my opinion that it should at least be mentioned. · Katefan0^(scribble) 20:21, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

If you get in a tactical aircraft, you wear the suit and the vest and all the other crap that goes with it, regardless of who you are. It's designed to hold all your safety equipment so that if there's an emergency and you have to eject you have all your gear, and none of your clothes snag. The flight suit, when flying in certain types of aircraft a flight suit *must* be worn as it is regulation - and common sense for many reasons.

Finally, any base/ship/unit commander worth his salt will have organizational clothes available as souvenirs for VIP's and their entourages. It's common sense because the VIP's like getting crap and the Organizations like having photos of their bosses wearing stuff with the organizations name on it.

That may or may not be the case, but it's really immaterial to the article here -- the point is that he was criticized for wearing it. That was the news, and that is what has been included in the article. We as wikipedia editors make no judgments ourselves -- we are here to summarize disagreements, and that was one of them. · Katefan0^(scribble) 11:46, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

"the point is that he was criticized for wearing it. That was the news, and that is what has been included in the article."

That seems to be a flimsy excuse to include anti-Bush POV into the article. Everytime I read on Wiki an article about Bush, or anything pertaining to Bush, it always includes a "critics say..." (Just once I'd like to see a "supporters say..."). What Bush's critics have to say is not necessarilly news. Especially when they turn out to be wrong in their criticisms. They were proven to be wrong in their criticisms that Bush wearing the flight suit was not for publicity purposes, but for safety regulations.

We don't pass judgment on criticisms, only summarize them if they've been published somewhere. Which these were. Thanks. While you're around, take a minute to read the rules of contributing to Wikipedia, particularly neutral point of view, verifiability and no original research. Have fun Katefan0^(scribble)/mrp 18:06, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The "Partial Ejection" Incident of '91

Event: An A-6 Intruder Pilot out on exercise maneuvers tries to unstick a floating valve on the refueling pylon by pitching the aircraft up and down.

Disaster: Due to cumulative Metal Fatigue from the aircraft's numerous takeoffs and landings, a safety lock on the Bombardier Navigator's Ejection Seat malfunctions and breaks under the stress of the pitching.

The Ejection Seat fires its weight slug which breaks the fiberglass canopy and deploys the parachute. The BN's Seat goes up and stops half-way where he is immediately exposed to 250 mph wind forces which rip off his oxygen mask and flight helmet.

The Pilot turns around to see that his BN is in trouble and notifies the Abraham Lincoln to prepare for an emergency landing.

The BN passes out from oxygen deprivation but soon regains consciousness after the Pilot successfully lands on the Carrier. --Arima (talk) 22:56, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Out Of Time video

Yesterday, I added a reference to the Out of Time video to the section on popular culture. Malo reverted that edit. Why, I don't know. Can anyone here verify that the video in fact features footage from a BBC documentary about the Lincoln? --80.137.113.150 (talk) 11:16, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I didn't think it was important for this article. But maybe other people do. I don't really have a problem with it, feel free to put it back if you like. -- malo (tlk) (cntrbtns) 19:24, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Maybe a pop-culture reference?

In the intro sequence of the game People's General, an American aircraft carrier called the "USS Lincoln" is mentioned in the voice over as being deployed to the South China Sea. It is then sunk with the loss of over 3,000 lives, triggering the in-game conflict. Does this count? (name was different). Video is available on youtube. --204.4.131.140 (talk) 13:05, 1 May 2008 (UTC)