Talk:Urban area
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[edit] Globalization
Someone tagged this section as not representing a worldwide view. Though only four countries are described here, the contributers of this article seemingly have done a good job at globalizing. These four countries are well spread around the world, and do describe various standards used for the definition of an urban area. This section is only waiting the addition of more countries, when just the right experts come along. Shaliya waya (talk) 14:46, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
==For the other countries I don't know, but it seemed to me that France's "aire urbaine" was not described well. It is not a similar term to the metropolitan area used by North America. The INSEE and ING (the Geographical Institute) also use a term of continuing buildings to define urban area, if I remember correctly, but I have to check, because it might be for the city--something like there is supposed to be a continuation of buildings and buildings shouldn't be more than 250meters away.
Because if you take only the definition you have here, then border cities such as Lille or Strasbourg should also include inhabitants from the other side of the border--in fact it is the way the taxed services and museum administration are already distributed in Strasbourg, couting the city of Kehl in an Euro-district.
But if you take the distance into account, then Kehl shouldn't be counted in the urban area of Strasbourg, but then most american cities would only be half the population they are now. I'm taking the example of Syracuse, NY, for instance. Cicero and Oswego are counted in the metropolitan area of Syracuse, but Cicero, for example is something like more than 30 miles from the city limits. On the other hand, East Syracuse isn't counted to be in Syracuse-city, but there is no discontinued empty places from Syracuse to East Syracuse.
Anyone know if there is an international rule?
Anne-Caroline Sieffert —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.230.56.132 (talk) 14:33, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
- For sure the term "urban area" has many definitions through many countries. The EU and UN are promoting the "250 metre" standard for measuring urbanisation, and many countries have accepted it, including France and more recently England. Yet not all follow to date - which makes articles such as this seem original research if they are not sourced properly from a single source (single definition) with complete explanations.
- There has been some confusion on Wiki as far as France is concerned - Urbanisation is a big issue here (Paris is on the point of annexing some of its suburbs), and a few suburban contributors have become endeared to the idea of living in the "Paris metropolitan area" - a term which may be fine as a vague description for foreigners, but as a "translation" for aire urbaine it is quite un-factual and incorrect - the existing official translation provided by the INSEE itself is "urban area". This problem is practically no more in Paris-based articles, but some clarification could help.
- I would be careful in "comparing" any two urban areas because of the term's many definitions; if a mainstream organisation hasn't already compiled a study to this end, I don't see how any Wikipedia article can attempt to do so without being slapped with an original research tag. Cheers. THEPROMENADER 07:35, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
