Talk:United States military nuclear incident terminology

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This article was nominated for deletion on 14/10/2006. The result of the discussion was keep.

Contents 1 ROGUE SPEAR / EMPTY QUIVER 2 The movie Broken Arrow: Pinnacle/Broken Arrow or Pinnacle/Nucflash? 3 list of broken arrows 4 Bent Spear....

[edit] ROGUE SPEAR / EMPTY QUIVER

The Rogue Spear article says that the weapons weren't seized, lost, or stolen, but instead independently manufactured. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.4.90.4 (talk) 23:40, 4 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] The movie Broken Arrow: Pinnacle/Broken Arrow or Pinnacle/Nucflash?

The article used to say that the movie Broken Arrow involves a Pinnacle Empty Quiver, and later a Pinnacle/Nucflash event, rather than a Pinnacle/Broken Arrow. I changed this to the add that the characters in the film initially believe that a Broken Arrow has occurred. The article asserts that the actual detonation is a Nucflash because it is unauthorized.

A later edit asserts that this detonation was a Broken Arrow, because it was a detonation. I don't think this is consistent with the definitions in the article; the salient feature of a Broken Arrow according to the given definition seems to be that it is an accident, but the events in the movie are all intentional. I deleted both that assertion, because I think the Broken Arrow assertion directly contradicts the article's definition of an accidental event, making things less consistent (contrary to the edit summary that says it is for consistency), and I deleted the Nucflash assertion because it is not self-evident from the article's definitions.

Maybe the trivia should just say that the movie was named for the nuclear incident term and leave it at that.

Any other thoughts? --Capn ed 20:39, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] list of broken arrows

hey i think we need a list of known broken arrow incidents. The people need to know. I know of one, flight 44-92075 over canada, maybe we can add some more? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.189.120.253 (talk) 03:56, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bent Spear....

The 2007 incident has not been deemed a Bent Spear by the Air Force

http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/2008/02/nuclear_safety_and_the_saga_ab.php#more-193

"But when I asked Air Combat Command (ACC) for a list of all Bent Spear and Dull Sword incidents since June 1992 when ACC took command of Air Force nuclear weapons, the list included plenty of Dull Sword incidents but not a single Bent Spear. Three months of phone calls and emails to the Air Force for an explanation for the omission have gone unanswered. While writing down my question and contact information, however, one officer volunteered off the record that “they” hadn’t given the Minot incident a formal designation because they didn’t quite know what to call it." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.254.92.29 (talk) 07:21, 11 March 2008 (UTC)