Talk:United States National Research Council Rankings

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I don't know why to keep the average of all scores in the front. This is too biased and would only harm the influence of the ranking. If you don't have a particular field, you get zero in that field.

209.173.238.105 (talk) 03:26, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


As the linked website points out (http://www.stat.tamu.edu/~jnewton/nrc_rankings/nrc1.html#TOP60), this is an extremely biased way of looking at the rankings since you are taking an average over many fields of study whether or not the school even has a program in that area. For example, a school without a specific program in oceanography or religion will have zeros averaged in with their other scores.

I suggest either using the "Average of Nonzero Scores" table below, or simply break up the rankings by field of study:


Number of Rated Programs         Average of Nonzero Scores          Average of all 41 Scores

1 Stanford              40       1 MIT                   8.70       1 Stanford              7.76
2 Michigan              38       2 UC Berkeley           8.50       2 UC Berkeley           7.46
2 Wisconsin             38       3 Harvard               8.20       3 Michigan              6.71
2 Ohio State            38       4 Princeton             8.03       4 Cornell               6.56
5 Texas                 37       5 Cal Tech              8.00       5 Wisconsin             6.44
5 Washington            37       6 Stanford              7.95       6 UCLA                  6.32
5 Illinois              37       7 Chicago               7.73       7 Texas                 6.12
5 Minnesota             37       8 Yale                  7.60       8 Columbia              6.07
9 UC Berkeley           36       9 Cornell               7.47       9 Washington            6.05
9 Cornell               36      10 UC San Diego          7.34       9 Illinois              6.05
9 UCLA                  36      11 Columbia              7.32       9 Penn                  6.05
9 Penn State            36      12 Michigan              7.24      12 Harvard               6.00

13 Penn 35 13 UCLA 7.19 13 Minnesota 5.78 14 Columbia 34 14 Penn 7.09 14 Princeton 5.68 14 Pittsburgh 34 15 Wisconsin 6.95 15 Chicago 5.66 16 Duke 33 16 Texas 6.78 16 Yale 5.56 16 Johns Hopkins 33 17 Washington 6.70 17 Ohio State 5.37 18 North Carolina 32 17 Illinois 6.70 18 Duke 5.32 18 Virginia 32 19 Northwestern 6.63 18 Johns Hopkins 5.32 18 Rutgers 32 20 Duke 6.61 20 Penn State 5.22 18 UC Santa Barbara 32 20 Johns Hopkins 6.61 21 UC San Diego 5.20 18 Iowa 32 22 Carnegie Mellon 6.53 22 North Carolina 4.93 18 Florida 32 23 Minnesota 6.41 23 MIT 4.88 18 SUNY Buffalo 32 24 North Carolina 6.31 24 Northwestern 4.85 25 Massachusetts 31 25 Brown 6.31 25 Virginia 4.80 26 Harvard 30 26 UC Irvine 6.22 26 Rutgers 4.63 26 Chicago 30 27 NYU 6.20 27 Brown 4.46 26 Yale 30 28 Virginia 6.16 28 UC Santa Barbara 4.41 26 Northwestern 30 29 Purdue 6.12 29 Pittsburgh 4.37 26 SUNY Stony Brook 30 30 Arizona 6.00 30 Arizona 4.24 26 Colorado 30 31 Penn State 5.94 31 SUNY Stony Brook 4.20 26 Michigan State 30 32 Rutgers 5.94 31 Iowa 4.20 33 Princeton 29 33 Brandeis 5.93 33 Florida 4.15 33 UC San Diego 29 34 Washington St Louis 5.93 34 Colorado 4.07 33 Brown 29 35 Rochester 5.89 34 Massachusetts 4.07 33 Arizona 29 36 UC Davis 5.88 36 Indiana 3.93 33 Kansas 29 37 Emory 5.88 37 Michigan State 3.90 38 Indiana 28 38 Ohio State 5.79 37 Washington St Louis 3.90 38 Maryland 28 39 Indiana 5.75 39 Rochester 3.88 38 Boston University 28 40 SUNY Stony Brook 5.73 40 Maryland 3.80 38 Cincinnati 28 41 Rice 5.67 41 SUNY Buffalo 3.78 42 Washington St Louis 27 42 UC Santa Barbara 5.66 41 NYU 3.78 42 Rochester 27 43 North Carolina State 5.61 43 UC Davis 3.73 42 Kentucky 27 44 Maryland 5.57 44 Cal Tech 3.71 42 LSU 27 45 Colorado 5.57 45 Purdue 3.59 46 UC Davis 26 46 Southern California 5.50 46 Southern California 3.49 46 Southern California 26 46 CUNY 5.50 46 UC Irvine 3.49 46 CUNY 26 48 Texas A&M 5.48 46 CUNY 3.49 46 Vanderbilt 26 49 Dartmouth 5.45 49 Vanderbilt 3.41 46 Connecticut 26 50 Georgia Tech 5.44 50 Texas A&M 3.34 51 NYU 25 51 Massachusetts 5.39 51 North Carolina State 3.15 51 Texas A&M 25 52 Vanderbilt 5.38 52 Kansas 3.12 51 Arizona State 25 53 Iowa 5.38 53 Boston University 3.05 54 Purdue 24 54 Michigan State 5.33 54 Arizona State 3.00 54 Syracuse 24 55 Florida 5.31 55 Kentucky 2.95 54 Oklahoma 24 56 Utah 5.30 56 Iowa State 2.90 57 MIT 23 57 Case Western 5.29 56 Rice 2.90 57 UC Irvine 23 57 RPI 5.29 58 LSU 2.85 57 North Carolina State 23 59 Pittsburgh 5.26 58 Connecticut 2.85 57 Iowa State 23 60 Delaware 5.23 60 Syracuse 2.78