Talk:United States–Mexico barrier

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according to what I have heard: all april's month several "Americans" will do something they call the "minute man" project in the state of arizona. to do, as they claim, 'what the U.S. goverment should be doing'. Will this be some kind of fool's day joke? hi

this page has shades of a liberal bias- note the "Public Opinion" poll near the bottom. The tone of the article fails to speak to why the fence is being built in the first place.


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[edit] Minutemen are no "joke."

This was perhaps the most awesome and successful bit of citizen activism since the Boston Tea Party.

As for this article, there is no proof WHATSOEVER that illegal aliens "benefit the economy." Quite the contrary. Lou Dobbs cites the $200BN a year they cost the economy in depressed wages, and the $50BN they cost to support (to say nothing of the billions they send home in the form of remittances).


....but gays and smokers benefit the economy. truth

[edit] Lou Dobbs is a joke

Not only is Lou Dobbs a joke, but most what he says is factually incorrect. I can't speak on behalf of Mexicans, but whenever he mentions Canada, nearly every single "fact" he cites is based entirely on his preconceived, and often times racist, sauges notions. I can remember at least six occations when he reported on events or facts pertaining to Canada that later proved to be unfounded (i.e., that the September 11th terrorists entered the United States through Canada). In fact, several of his reports pertaining to Canada contained information already widely known to be untrue. He has never publicly retracted his errors, which is in keeping with CNN's tradition of reporting hearsay, then simply switching topics when their reporting is shown to be inaccurate. This type of reporting (which is not restricted to CNN) is the main reason why the majority of Americans still believe that the September 11th hijackers entered the U.S. through Canada. In fact, no terrorist has ever been shown to have entered the United States through Canada.

His "reports" are entirely one-sided, and he generally only has guests that agree and re-enforece his extremist position. Lou Dobbs is in no way a journalist, but rather an editorialist with a clear anti-non-white/anti-non-christian/anti-non-U.S.A. agenda. He is a joke, and seriously diminishes the credibility of CNN in general. --24.200.35.253 03:50, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

I've heard his biggest gripe with the Mexicans is that they're Catholic 24.105.221.46 15:10, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good thing no one depends on Lou Dobbs

...since the National Academy of Sciences (if memory serves) has released a study indicating that if anything, illegal immigrants are a drain on our economy.

When talking heads talk about how good illegals are for the economy, substitute "business interests" for "economy." See, business profits from the slave wages paid to illegals, but the cost (free health care, free education, welfare, etc.,) is borne by taxpayers in general.

Don't take my word for it, check out the Federation for American Immigration Reform or the rest of the pro-reform sites.

One wonders, if Dobbs is such a bigot, why CNN endures him? He must have some dirt on someone, right?

[edit] Where is the article about the border in general?

Currently the very first sentence of the entry for The United States Mexico barrier is "The United States Mexico barrier is actually several separation barriers designed to prevent illegal immigration into the United States from the territory of adjacent Mexico." This seems like a poor introduction to a topic as wide as the international border between the United States and Mexico.

There should be another article titled The United States Mexico border, but currently this simply redirects to this article. They are not the same thing! There is more to the border than illegal immigration. And to only discuss what the barrier represents to Americans is POV. If anyone has any information on the border's history, it's implications for both Americans and Mexicans, it's geography, etc. please contribute to this article, or create a new article titled The United States Mexico border that is broader in scope than this one.

Agreed

[edit] Article Merge

Oppose--Rockero 05:18, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Oppose--The barrier itself should have its own article as it falls within a classification of walls and fences collectively known a Separation barrier. The barrier itself is separate from the border. Both barriers and boarders change over time and not not neccessarily correspond to each other.--P Todd 15:03, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Oppose--John Kim 03:50, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Oppose obviously. This article needs expansion. The wall is hugely notable. savidan(talk) (e@) 03:15, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Oppose the articles are about different walls i suggest you shouldnt merge it.roadcrusher2 11:39am 6 October 2007 (ETZ) —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 15:40, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Oppose Different topics. Tynetrekker (talk) 22:23, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tortilla Wall

Which parts are called the Tortilla Wall? --24.94.189.11 18:14, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Artists react to the proposed 700 mile Border Fence: In Nov. 2006 a group of artists in Los Angeles, California decided to implement a project called The Great Wall of Chinga. By doing so they reached out to fellow artists across the US to create a body of work around this issue. This became an inagural project for a new organization they called The Ministry of Culture. This name was chosen to bring attention to the lack of governmental support for the arts & culture in a country where its population is made up of practically every nationality on earth. The information on this project can be found at: [1].

This is a notable reaction to the barrier, and deserves mention in the article. --Ramsey2006 04:11, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
I suggest merging the article Tortilla Wall into this one. Sdenny123 13:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merger proposal

The article Tortilla Wall should probably be included here, if it's at all accurate. Frankly, as a long time San Diego resident, I'm not aware that the term "Tortilla Wall" has ever applied to the border fence. Rather than nominating that artice for deletion, I think it discusses the same things this artice does here. --Eric Bekins 22:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Oppose merge See talk page of other article for massive opposition to this poor merger proposal. Tynetrekker (talk) 22:24, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Note: there is no "massive opposition" to the merger proposal on Talk:Tortilla_Wall, in fact the other article talk page has no opposition on it at all. There was no need to exaggerate, especially something so easy to verify as being untrue. Radagast83 (talk) 05:27, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Company building the border fence pays a fine for hiring illegal immigrants

PDF link - http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/cas/press/cas61214-GoldenStateFence.pdf Is there a place for this in the article? Are there arguments about the pros and cons (and in this case irony) of this border fence in this article? Hnc 20:29, 20 March 2007 (UTC) Also http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20061214-1922-bn14golden.html Hnc 20:34, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Improper Use

Is it possible for someone to deal with the person/persons who've posted the Lou Dobbs junk on this talk page, maybe send a warning? Windscar77 09:45, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

'The intention of these barriers is to force illegal immigrants to cross the border through more difficult lands, with the assumption that this will deter illegal immigration'. This currently appears in the article and seems to be vandalism. The introduction of the article also seems to be somewhat POV, and a great deal of the article is unsourced. omnijohn 03:00, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 660,000 in 6 month period

Is there any independent verification of the figure of 660,000+ people detained by immigration authorities between October 1, 2003, and April 30, 2004? This figure is HIGHLY suspect. According to the US census bureau figures, the country's net migration rate is 3.05 per 100,000 which translates to about 100,000 people entering America every year. If this figure is right, that means more than 1.3 million people attempted to enter the US during a 1 year period, more than half of the entire US Prison Population...unless there was a severe drop off during the second half of the period for some reason. Also, it seems a bit odd that the border patrol could have the capacity to detain nearly 4,000 people EVERY DAY. Looks to me like one of the minutemen has taken a break from wrangling Mexicans so as to engage in some good old fashioned fearmongering. 193.129.64.154 08:44, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] United_States–Mexico_barrier

Is this truly the best article-name? Does anyone perceive any resemblance to United_States_of_Mexico, United_States_of_America? United_States–Mexico_barrier, really?

Keith_Olbermann, msnbc, claims that the wall, the fence, ends @ Ray_Lee_Hunt's property-line, property-border. I've been trying google; however, no luck, yet.

Please do help.

Thank You,

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[edit] Controversy Section

Could this be possibly expanded to its own article if we found enough sources? This is an extremely controversial issue, and a lot of people are going back and forth over it, moreso than can be captured by a quick blurb. Ideally we could have people from different areas where the wall is being built contribute information about protests and rebuttals as they occur.

Pylze (talk) 20:58, 17 March 2008 (UTC)Pylze