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[edit] Opium ?

I would like to see this actually referenced as a FACT? UPS' site says they delivered many items Gnew18 00:41, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I'd say its spam untill proven otherwise. - Redmess (talk) 07:44, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] UPS a380F order

EADS has announced that it has stopped all work on the A380 Freighter variant. As such, I think that UPS will also go along with the 747-8F.

[edit] Remote VPN Access Link?

Why is the UPS remote VPN access link in that article? AFAIK, that website is private. It also does not add anything to the article.Ryan 14:01, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Good call, it should go. Shortfuse 05:24, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Delivery Information Acquisition Device (DIAD)

I think that the main page should include some information on the tablet that all UPS drivers carry. There's some info here: http://www.computerworld.com/networkingtopics/networking/story/0,10801,101629,00.html that details the latest deployment that they are going to do, and another write up that compares thier approach with FedEx: http://www.cio.com/archive/060104/ups.html

[edit] Sillyness

I removed this sillyness: ", so that minor parking violations (endemic to the courier business) can be dismissed in court for incompleteness.[citation needed]" from trivia. UPS packages cars are not marked with the manufacturer's name due to it not having an advertising contract with the manufacturer. Some UPS Tractors are now bearing the Mack Bulldog.N9urk 13:53, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Strikes

  • RJ had added a 1994 1-day strike to the list of UPS history. This was not a nationwide strike and only affected about 30% of the United States. There have actually been a large number of localized strikes at UPS, most recently a Canadian work stoppage in 2004. A comprehensive list of localized actions would overwhelm the article. This would be better explored in depth in a new article - perhaps about union/management relations at UPS or a list of strikes throughout UPS's history. --User:ssherris 15:35, Dec 16, 2004 (UTC)
    • "A comprehensive list of localized actions would overwhelm the article"? It's just one yet. - Jerryseinfeld 22:47, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • It's 2 so far - the 1994 strike plus the 2004 Canadian one. But it's inappropriate in a general article about the company because there are literally dozens and dozens of local strikes throughout the 95+ years of company history. The 1997 nationwide strike was a major turning point in UPS history and with regard to company/union relations and that makes it appropriate to include in a list of major events. A one day strike that affected a small portion of the country in 1994 does not qualify as "major". If you feel it's important, write a paragraph on strike history or union relations in the article. SSherris 20:31, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
      • I wouldn't want to overwhelm the article. It was just the other Teamster stike I remebered because there was a lawsuit and a counter (and 30% of the US is not the same as localized). Good point about '97 strike (in which Canadian workers did not participate). Sherris, if you don't mind, could you expounded upon this "major turning point"? It deserves more than just a list bullet. -- Rj 07:52, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)
        • I agree - it does deserve more than just a list bullet - from Clinton's uninvolvement to the jump start of Fedex Ground to altered UPS/Teamster relations, it affected American businesses and company history. But as a UPS management employee, I don't feel like I can a) write a fair NPOV article on it b) represent the company in a way my own managers would be happy with c) represent the union in a way that wouldn't bit me in the future. I'd be happy to add insight to anything written though. Plus, I also wasn't with the company in 1997 so I don't have firsthand knowledge. See the List of Strikes article though - it covers some of what you're looking for. SSherris 23:16, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
      • The President did halt the pilots strike earlier that year. Could explore the differences here if it's not on another page. I didn't see any mention in the List of strikes pages... --Rj 05:16, Dec 22, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] UPS vs United Parcel Service

In 2003 when UPS unveiled its new logo, it formalized a policy that they had been implementing for a few years, of not referring to the company as "United Parcel Service". You can see this gradual transformation if you go to the UPS Pressroom archives and compare press releases from 1999, say, to those of 2004. While the company is still officially titled, "United Parcel Service of America, Co", it is not "known" as such any longer. Employees have been instructed to answer the phones as "UPS" and not "United Parcel Service", for example. Also notice that a major part of the logo change in 2003 involved removing the "package" - the box and strings - that had been part of various logos since the company's inception. This is part of the company's strategy to diversify beyond parcels and into capital, logistics, freight, etc. SSherris 21:04, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

  • Good insight, do you work for UPS or know someone? (The odds are not bad given the size of company) The change makes sense with all that the company does although package delivery is still the core business. As you say, the company is officially titled the same and the change is more a new marketing "look and feel" brand to reflect their evolving capabilities. We shouldn't change the name of this article. That would almost make Wikipedia seem like a marketing piece for UPS? I suggest rather that the changes be described in one of the introductory paragraphs because it is important. (Could be the largest global rebranding in corporate history with all trucks, planes, facilities, uniforms, etc...) --Rj 08:22, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)
  • Thanks - I do work for UPS. The company title is more a reflection on incorporation laws - UPS actually owns hundreds of companies that are otherwise seamlessly integrated with the parent, but for tax or tarriff or other such laws, there are multiple entities. For example - UPS is a separate company in each of the 200+ countries it operates in (Japan, Korea, Brazil, Bahamas, Canada). Plus, UPS in the US is made of 3 companies (NY, OH, and Corp) plus all of its subsidiaries. I disagree that changing the name would make Wikipedia a marketing piece for UPS. Look up BellSouth Mobility. It will redirect you to [Cingular Wireless]] because the company decided to reinvent itself. That just reflects reality. Would the rebranding make a good article? Again (see the strike) I don't think I could write a good NPOV article and I'd always be uncomfortable that I wrote a marketing piece because of my position. SSherris 23:16, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • UPS' site still has United Parcel Service in the copyright statement. Sykil 00:51, 2005 July 17 (UTC)

[edit] Why "brown"?

 Please help improve this article or section by expanding it.
Further information might be found on the talk page or at requests for expansion. (January 2007)

Why choose the color brown? It's not the nicest or flashiest color one could pick, it seems. (Just look at FedEx or DHL uniforms.) Anyone know the history? -- Beland 02:25, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Good question...FedEx and DHL seem a little more modern than UPS. Perhaps it's the color, or perhaps it's that many of the package cars (the large vans) look like they're out of the '60s or something (versus FedEx's newer ones, especially their Mercedes/Dodge Sprinters).
The article mentioned that they were the same brown that George Pullman used on his railroad cars...perhaps there was a tie between Pullman and UPS way back when...
cluth 07:20, Apr 30, 2005 (UTC)

The color was chosen because it hides dirt better than other colors. The handling of packages is dirty work. A white shirt would not look very professional after a short time of working as one of our service providers (delivery driver). -High Tension 10.26.2005

Also, brown package cars that would have collected dirt and mud from the road required less frequent or detailed cleaning. I'm pretty sure early UPS trucks were yellow. -armchairexec 11.04.2005

You would be right about yellow: Merchants Parcel Delivery, (Early UPS) had purchased four cars and five motorcycles. It was decided that their fleet was big enough that it should have a consistent color scheme. Jim Casey wanted yellow but one of the other guys, Charlie Soderstrom, complained that yellow vehicles would be impossible to keep clean. He also pointed out that Pullman railroad cars were brown to make them appear more clean than they really were.

What is the Pantone, NCS or RAL value of the UPS brown colour, if it is even covered by those colour systems?--84.115.129.76 13:53, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hubs

Anchorage, Alaska is listed in various UPS press releases as UPS's central hub for all packages transiting from the US to East Asia. As such, I would guess it should be listed in the table of hubs. However, I can't find any references to the hub identifiers (even the ones listed in this article) anywhere on UPS.com or anywhere else on the Web (with the exception of Wikipedia mirrors), so I didn't want to add it to the table. Anyone who work for UPS know about this? (See the section I added re: the UPS hub in the Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport article--can you confirm the size of the hub in terms of packages per hour, etc.? cluth 07:24, Apr 30, 2005 (UTC)

  • I only see one hub (Redmond WA) in the western half of the US...I would assume the list is generally incomplete, but I don't know where to find a full one to copy either. Not to mention international hubs. Willhsmit 22:08, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
  • I added Ontario CA, which always has a bunch of UPS aircraft on the tarmac, and which appears on the waybill for a UPS shipment I got today. SimonG 8/17/05

The hub list is far from complete. If it keeps getting added to, maybe it should be moved to a new page? I reordered it by SLIC numbers. ASchmoo 06:42, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

I question the hyphenation of the hub SLICs (sort codes). The only time a SLIC is hyphenated is on a package label - and only then for readability - UPS internally uses just the plain number. -armchairexec 11.04.2005

  • I added a few hubs in Asia and Pacific which were found in a list on UPS website. However, that list is incomplete and only represents the major ones. Tomj 14:12, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Timeline/Corporate Spam

It looks to me like a ton of corporate advertising got dumped into this article, especially the timeline. Anyone have any opinions on what should go and what should stay, or is it all relevant? ASchmoo 21:31, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

The timeline looks like a probable copyvio to me, but I wasn't able to find any matches on the web... -SCEhardt 00:04, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
I removed the entire timeline since it was 99.9% a direct copyvio from upsers.com and very POV. ASchmoo 19:46, 28 February 2006 (UTC)


The timeline is from upsers.com, as is the trivia fact about the broadway play. There is an entire page devoted to company history.

Is the link to BuyBlue.org appropriate? One user in particular keeps re-adding this link to the article but I do not think it is relevant to the nature of the article - ie, UPS' operations and history. Also, I doubt BuyBlue.org espouses a NPOV, so linking to it, IMO, adds a certain bias. -armchairexec

I don't think it should be in the article. The user who keeps adding it seems to exist for the purpose of promoting the website. (contribs) In addition, the site says "BuyBlue.org supports businesses that share our progressive values and ideals."[1] so clearly not a NPOV link. -SCEhardT 00:51, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Buyblue.org

Political contributions of corporations are very relavent to the make up of the UPS organization. If you have a better link that shows political contributions please add it to the wiki page. I am only linking to buyblue.org unbiased write up of the organization. It simply has a brief description of the company with no bias, and the political contributions in the last election cycle. Simple and plane as day. I do not see any problem with this. I hope you do not feel threatened by this information. It's nothing to be ashamed of or proud of. It is simply fact. If you would like to get a moderator to figure this out that would be fine. Until then I will keep editing the page if you un-edit it. I am prepared to defend my edit.

I disagree. The fact that the only change you have made to several other pages is the addition of this link proves that you have an ax to grind. Your intentions are not without bias and thus, your link is inappropriate. If you link to a more neutral political donations website (which I doubt exists) that would be acceptable. Or instead of hiding the link with a general "UPS political contributions" try a different wording that mentions the viewpoint espoused by the website. -armchairexec
Although political contributions in general are a useful resource, I don't like the idea of such a POV website being linked. Where does BuyBlue get this info? Is it available on a government website? -SCEhardT 21:08, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Here is where buyblue get's it's information. To answer your question, yes it is a government source. And I quote from buyblue.org:

"To ensure that the ratings are truly comparable, we adhere to a strict research protocol involving the following three sources: Hoovers.com; Federal Election Commission; and the Center for Responsive Politics. On Hoovers.com, we find the names of the top three key executives in a chosen company, as well as the names of executives of the company’s subsidiaries. We also get short company summaries, company addresses, phone numbers, fax numbers, and company websites from this site. The company websites help us identify top officers. We research all of these sources to make sure our information is accurate and up to date. When BuyBlue.org tallies political contributions, we get our information from the Federal Elections Commission site. We only consider donations from the three senior executives identified by the company website and by Hoovers.com, and any donations from Political Action Committees (PACs) associated with the company. We also count donations from spouses of senior executives, but only when we can confirm the relationship beyond a reasonable doubt. We never count contributions from rank and file employees in our data. We use The Center for Responsive Politics site to gather PAC information about a company because their presentation makes it easy to identify the distribution of the contributions of PACs between Democrats and Republicans. For each PAC we find, we summarize the spending for the election cycle and provide a link to opensecrets.org so you can examine the details if you wish."

[edit] New trucks?

I was in San Francisco today to drop off my bar study books at the BarBri office (I passed the bar!) and I saw a new UPS package car with an odd hood shape I have never seen before. Unfortunately, it was raining, I was moving, and it was moving, so I wasn't able to get a picture of the thing. Does anyone know if UPS is rolling out a new vehicle design throughout its entire system? --Coolcaesar 02:58, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

While there is a new model of truck rolling out it's definitely not replacing every model out there. It's a hybrid between the Mercedes Sprinter van that is used for light routes and a traditional package car. Armchairexec 11:40, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
In Copenhagen, Denmark a yellow car/van quite similar to the local UPS vehicles is actually on the streets once in a while, so the rule mentioned in the trivia section about only UPS using UPS designed cars can't be totally worldwide, or the danish UPS cars are different and not included by the rule?
About models, in DK Volkswagen (VW) and (I think it is) Iveco bases are seen, as well as more anonymously looking shapes. Ape 50 "vans" (size of a small en:tuk tuk) have been spotted... G®iffen 17:12, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removed text

Tonight, I moved this sillyness out of the article: *According to the Seattle Underground Tour and the books it is based on, UPS started as messenger service whose clients were primarily prostitutes and their solicitors.


I have never heard this, but I did hear rumor that the early company meetings were held in a bar.


I removed the following text from the article namespace:

Transportation and Freight - One source, operating in over 120 countries and territories, with resources in air, ocean, rail and road.
Logistics - A single-source solution from worldwide distribution to post-sales service parts logistics.
International Trade - Customs-specific knowledge and expertise can help simplify the complexities of international trade management, from excellent customs brokerage to compliance consulting and managed services.
Consulting Services - Real-world strategic direction and counsel that help companies align their supply chain operations with their business strategies.
Industry Solutions - UPS Supply Chain Solutions can provide solutions to industry-specific problems including automotive, consumer goods, government, healthcare, high tech, industrial manufacturing, retail, and many other industries.

The text appears to be mostly a direct copyvio from [2]. - orioneight (talk) 02:38, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

I removed some dumped text about the airplane makeup - JamesCox


YES i work for UPS and i know for a fact that they are starting to roll out new trucks, most of which are just newly designed, and shinnier. nothing new for most UPS hubs. However i know that UPS is designing a new hydralic/gas engine hybrid for its trucks. they are testing TWO trucks in the Detroit area..i know this becuase i work for them!!!

[edit] POV

This article, from the fourth paragraph through the timeline, reads like a PR brochure. I would refer you to FedEx's entry for an example of a more nuetral and informative article. I intend to write an alternative entry in the weeks to come.UPSer 21:16, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree completely. It needs a complete reworking to avoid sounding like blantant PR drivel. Good luck with it. ASchmoo 07:36, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
A significant amount of it was copied directly from UPS's website, which would explain why. I'm deleting some parts that are straight copies. Night Gyr 04:58, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Is this site POV? http://unitedpackagesmashers.com/?page=packages.php DyslexicEditor 14:07, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

I dont think so -- seems pretty neutral to me in that it just allows people to post whatever, which could be one way or the other... I included it in my Section 9 addition along with some other stuff. --Shortfuse 04:18, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removed reference to animal rights groups

I removed the following text. It's unsourced, POV, and this article isn't a newspaper article, it's an encyclopedia article, so this "controversy" is just too short-term to include.

UPS is currently the target of several animal rights groups, as it is the largest logistics firm still delivering to Huntingdon Life Sciences laboratories across the world. When prompted to sever it's ties with this organisation, it has repeatedly stated that it makes too much money from it's contract, and in private, bosses have stated that they will continue to put profits before the welfare of animals.

kmccoy (talk) 14:08, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Package Cars

It should be noted that the package cars UPS are so famous for are not seen outside of the US (or possibly Canada). Here in Australia there are no UPS package cars. Of course, UPS is not nearly as common here, but they still have the trademark brown vans. The vans are almost all small 2.4L Toyota Hiace vans (picture something about 2/3 the size of a Ford Econoline), with manual transmissions. Very lame. Davez621 10:39, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Seems you don't get out of Australia much. UPS Brown is seen in most countries, in fact UPS in Germany has been for many years and the same package car design and color are utilized there.

[edit] Trailer code numbers

I'm removing the trailer code numbers because it's not complete/entirely accurate, and seems unnecessary—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.18.242.14 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Ground vs Air network

Should there be some differentiation between the ground and air networks? The example for how a ground package travels is correct, but air (especially 1DA) is handled much differently. I don't work in air operations so I don't know the specifics, but if anyone does it would be great if you could slip this in. ABA 08:37, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other services

Just wanted to register my hope that this article is added to in order to include information on UPS' other services (especially its so-called "solutions for small businesses") as this is one of UPS' defining characteristics in the 21st century (as well as a couple of other corps such as DHL).

Some great information can be found on the UPS' corporate website, and some interesting tidbits can be found in Thomas Friedman's The World is Flat as well.

Blue Crest 20:35, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] System Design

Ok, I've been looking at this article for a while, making a few tweaks here and there, but that huge list of hubs and center codes is an eyesore. I'd like to test the waters for moving that list to its own article. Adamkik 09:27, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

No response, so I decided to be bold and created United Parcel Service hubs. I moved the hub list tables to that article and linked to it in the System Design section. Adamkik 06:03, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Good idea, I think it looks better this way. :-) --Shortfuse 23:45, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edits by UPS Employees

Today a UPS employee, using IP address 153.2.246.30, removed the entire crtics section from this article without consenus. According to ARIN, the IP address 153.2.246.30 traces back to UPS, meaning the edit was probably made by one of thier employees and judging by the content removed, in an attempt to remove information that they disagreed with in an attempt to whitewash the company. I reverted the edit and warned the user for vandalisim. Looks like we'll need to keep an eye out for this in the future, if this thing read like a PR flyer before it looks like a few would like to restore that reading. --Shortfuse 23:44, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Are employees of a company (members of a club, performers in a band, etc.) supposed to refrain from editing articles about said group, or should they just be extra careful to stay neutral in their edits? Adamkik 03:54, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Hmm, good question. From what I can find, I think it's OK to edit articles about your group, as long as you tread carefully... Wikipedia:Autobiography talks about editing articles about yourself, and there is a little more info at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Dealing with edits by the subject of the article (and the very similar Wikipedia:Articles about ongoing enterprises#Dealing with edits by the subject of the article). Hope this helps. --Galaxiaad 04:59, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
No, they can still edit but they should ensure 1). that their edits reflect consensus and 2). at least try to look like they are being unbiased. When you review this user's edit history, he was also warned for putting "UPS IS A GOOD COMPANY" into the article as the third paragraph. Not exactly what one would call NPOV. I would say that anytime an employee of a company removes all information about said company which could be considered negative without seeking comment on the talk page first is really pushing the envelope to as great degree. --Shortfuse 15:04, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No mention of SonicAir

This entry makes no mention of UPS's SonicAir service (which is a same day service). --Navstar 16:50, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pending aircraft

UPS has firm orders for some Airbus 380's and Boeing 747-400, but they have not accepted delivery. Until the aircraft are delivered, I don't think they should be listed in the fleet. SquidSK (1MC•log) 19:07, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Manufacturers of package cars

In the trivia section it's mentioned that Grumman Olson is the manufacturer of all the package cars... this isn't true anymore. UPS has some new Freightliner trucks (with large package car bodies (longer than P13s), not Sprinter-style) that they use as well. Should this be changed? ABA 21:25, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Brown Cafe Forum for UPS employees, retirees and shareowners

I understand and appreciate that spam is an eternal problem for wikipedia editors but respectfully request that you reconsider the link placement to the Brown Cafe forum as appropriate to the United Parcel Service article. The forum is not new, it was established by UPS employees in 1999 as a privately operated resource for UPS employee and shareowners. In my opinion wikipedia should not use this type of page for distribution of corporate pr information but could also allow outside resources which are completely on topic.

I have reviewed the external link guidelines and believe that this link is appropriate for and valuable addition to the subject matter.Styleanddesign 20:57, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

It is not a question of appropriateness or the quality of your webpages. My complaint about the external browncafe.com and conductdisorders.com links are that they are both owned by User talk:Styleanddesign (you). This sort of self promotion violates Wikipedia policy. If some other member of this discussion page wants to add a browncafe.com link then that would be fine by me. (Requestion 22:17, 19 February 2007 (UTC))
I'm not super familiar with the external links policy, but Brown Cafe is a pretty popular site, and the most popular forum for talking about UPS (mostly employees). So it's not just Styleanddesign trying to promote his/her own site. (I think unofficial sites are mostly barred from external links when they violate copyright, right? And this doesn't.) OK, after looking at the policy... er... guideline, it says "discussion forums" are normally to be avoided in external links. So I guess maybe it shouldn't be linked, although the site is a bit more than a forum. --Galaxiaad 23:45, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
I have reverted my removal of the browncafe.com link. I made a bad judgement call. Sorry for any harm I caused. (Requestion 17:39, 21 February 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Ground network

As someone who has been interested in how packages move and who has been interested in rail transport, I thought it might be worthwhile to start assembling a list of routes that UPS uses rail transport on. According to a US News and World Report article: "'Whenever we have a package sent via our ground service that's going to run 700 miles or more, we will always look for a railroad option,' says UPS spokesman Norman Black. 'It is the most efficient and environmentally effective way to move that kind of distance.'"

I'm putting it here because it's just a baby project and I didn't want to stuff it in the main article without seeing if it was worth including.

  • BNSF Z-WSPRIC[3]: Willow Springs, IL (Chicago Area Consolidated Hub, Hodgkins, IL) to Richmond, CA (North Bay Hub, North Bay, CA)
  • BNSF Z-MEMRIC (and Z-RICMEM?): Memphis, TN to Richmond, CA
  • BNSF Z-WSPLAC (and Z-LACWSP?) [4]: Willow Springs, IL to Los Angeles, CA (Vernon, CA--not listed in hub list)
  • BNSF Z-WSPSBD (and Z-SBDWSP?): Willow Springs, IL to San Bernardino (?--I do not think this is a UPS train)
  • BNSF Z-LACNYC: Los Angeles, CA to New York City(?) via Willow Springs and Norfolk Southern Ashland Avenue yard?[5]
  • CSX Q109/Q110/Q158 North Bergen, NJ to Willow Springs, IL[6]
  • NS ??? (transfer run) Willow Springs, IL to NS Chicago Ashland Avenue yard?[7]
  • (not sure of the rail codes) 1 trailer per day from LEXKY to EDINJ via Avon, IN railyard (suburb of Indianapolis). Trailer departs Lexington, KY ca 2300 M-F and arrives at Avon, IN railyard ca. 0300 and departs Avon ca. 0430.

There seems to be a lot of random info (mostly on amateur pages) on these trains if you plug in their identifying codes into Google, but finding new routes isn't easy. But I thought I'd put my findings here to see if this is worth pursuing. cluth 12:40, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Also, FYI, in many areas of the country UPS hubs have their night sort on M-F (the Friday sort is to allow extra time to get the packages from the Hubs to the outlying centers). In some areas they are done S-T (to sync with rail schedules).

[edit] Intro

Anyone think this intro is a bit long? Information in almost all the paragraphs seem to be too in-depth for a general overview of the company. I would recommend re-writing most of the paragraphs except for the first into individual sections perhaps Vehicles Used, Corporate Acquisitions, and Competitors. The bit about the logo could be moved to history.

Thoughts?

Lasdlt 23:08, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. So I moved all the "on this date, XYZ" info down to the history section where it belongs. The lead looks much more like a concise summary now. --shift6 20:33, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fuel economy section

Is the Fuel Economy section necessary? This seems like superfluous information that is just serving to bulk up the article. --SquidSK (1MC•log) 05:42, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed section regarding Canadian fees

Even after some attempt to remove POV language, this section still included strong POV language such as, What makes the entire process infuriating for the buyer, and Therefore, the Canadian buyer is usually in for a very rude awakening. It takes the buyer completely by surprise as even a relatively inexpensive item like a $10 CD may end up costing the buyer 3-5 times that amount. In addition, all the claims made were unreferenced bar a UPS fee schedule. While this section may or may not contain substantially correct information, it is not in keeping with Wiki policy in its current form and requires a substantial re-write. Warm regards, --Greatwalk Talk 10:35, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Ups-logo.gif

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I have uploaded a complete (with the TM) low resolution UPS logo, and posted a fair use note. I am a UPS employee, though not in legal or communications, so I can't make any legal statements on fair use, but I do work in graphics and used a vector master to produce the lo res PNG so that it is accurate and complete. - Obereon 18:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Do not merge UPS with UPS Airlines

UPS Airlines contains a lot of different information. All Air Lines contain there own page...thats like saying Delta should be merged with Comair or United Airlines should be merged with United Express. UPS Airlines is official name of the airline. The airline is not called UPS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.130.195.124 (talk) 04:10, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree, the merge tags have been there since June and nobody has done it. Removing them. -- Hawaiian717 02:02, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] UPS Supply Chain Solutions

UPS first purchased Fritz Companies, a fairly large freight forwarder and shortly thereafter changed the name to UPS Supply Chain Solutions (went through several "trial" runs with the name before this one stuck... Fritz, A UPS Company, UPS Freight Services, etc.). Then a few years later after UPS was well into the "heavy freight" market they then purchased Menlo.

Seems odd that this detail would have been overlooked since it was my understanding that Fritz Companies was quite large perhaps even bigger then Menlo.

I worked for all these companies and was there throughout the whole transition, perhaps these details are not very public?... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jplespaul (talk • contribs) 13:31, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Ups-logo.gif

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BetacommandBot (talk) 20:28, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

  • Placed the FUR notice in the proper place, using Template Commercial logo rationale. Lasdlt (talk) 22:44, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Fees for Canadians" section

Most of the references given for this section appear to be message board posts (i.e. emphatically not reliable sources. Is there any coverage in reliable sources to indicate that this section is notable enough criticism to merit its inclusion (and size) in this article? JavaTenor (talk) 07:25, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I have added a reliable source now in the form of a CBC article. Even though the article is a little dated, it is still very accurate and relevant today. And the section is perfect with respect to its length. It discusses succinctly not only how the fees can be a headache for consumers but also how to get around it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.54.78.236 (talk) 00:06, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Earn and Learn

Any mention of the history of the earn and learn program. From what I understand this thing has been around a long time, I just used it for a quarter myself and it's the only way I can stand the job of sorting mail. Info on how much total has been contributed to the working man's college fun may prove interesting. --75.172.93.132 (talk) 10:19, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] UPS Driver Chris Tarantino

In the history section, removed:

"July 26, 2007: UPS Driver Chris Tarantino wears Brown for the last time"

Does not seem notable in any way shape or form, no rationale given for including this 'factoid'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ph0t0phobic (talk • contribs) 15:20, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removed unsourced statement

In most ways, UPS is considered by many users to be superior to the federal postal system...

Appears to be in breach of WP:AWT —Preceding unsigned comment added by Buffalo Bill (talk • contribs) 05:24, 5 April 2008 (UTC)