Talk:Union Banking Corporation

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The article is theoretically on Union Bank -- so why all the anti-Bush stuff? And deleting a comment about this page not being NPOV is absurd -- all it does is prove the reviser is anti-Bush as well. MEanwhile, with Wikipedia being in the cross hairs of potential lawsuits about defamatory material, the editors should probably simply scratch this article entirely. http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051211/pl_afp/usinternetitwikipedia_051211131428

Uh, if you want to dispute an article's POV, you do it properly, not amend it so that people can read your comments on the actual page. Like so. Escapeartist 19:34, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! A person gave me this article as "proof" of the Bush family being Nazis -- which somehow I find to be a dubious use of Wiki! Dec. 12, 2005

Perhaps a page with another heading such as "Bush family and Union Bank" would be appropriate. Certainly, the material should be available somwhere, and it is more than pertinent to Union Bank. Deleting the issue altogether would show a terrible fear of power, not of NPOV...we must be carefule censuring wiki, it is our only source that is open to factual but unpopular information

Nontheless, this page is about Union bank, so lets make it a seperate page? what do you guys think?

- The article retains it's neutrality. It is stating fact readily obtainable in The National Archives. Prescott Bush was on the Board of Directors and he was in charge of UBC Operations. He would have to know what they were doing, who they were dealing with and where the funds were going and what they were being spent on.

- This isn't a case of Bush bashing as much as a statement of fact relating, which is what Wiki is for. The fact that P.Bush was in cahoots with the Nazis is not pertinent to the relating of the facts in the article but part of the facts. This entry should stand as is.

Nope. Too much silliness exists in Wiki already. Do you really want wiki to be tinfoilcentral? At this point, it may well be. 65.1.6.123 18:31, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

This article is just plain badly written. It's out of order, topically unfocused, mixes personal relationships (like the Yale stuff) with business, fails to establish certain questionable claims (like Harriman "gave" Walker the business -- ownership? presidency? stock? what?). The article shouldn't be a history or overview of the Harriman/Walker business, it should be treated as its own thing and handled with proper sourcing. I may get to fixing these problems at some point, but this is what I see at first glance. --Dhartung | Talk 07:42, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
I'd agree about the quality of the writing. Most of the information seems essentially neutral, but several paragraphs need careful reading. If I re-wrote them I might resolve the confusion in the wrong way. Which Harriman gave which business to who? It makes sense if "the business" refers to W.A. Harriman & Co, and George Walker ran that, while also being on the board of UBC. But is that correct? And just what is significant about Knight Woolley? It's Walker, Bush, and Harriman on the boards of both w.A. Harriman and UBC; Woolley, despite his personal connection, is just an employee.
He was the director, and what he was given was one share in the company - this is not rocket science you know.--El magnifico 20:23, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

As for the POV, I think there's a weakness of emphasis. It does latch onto the Bush connection and let the Harriman family fade into the background. Walker must have been trusted by the Harriman family, but what could he and Precott Bush have done without the Harriman familiy knowing?

Article is not POV,imo. It seems to simply state facts. 64.229.28.95 11:34, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

I removed statement about "the younger Bush" receiving a Naval pilot commission since it was obviously just thrown into the article and had nothing to do with anything. Plus the reference to "the younger Bush" is ambigious.--CReynolds 17:36, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Contents

[edit] Union Bank of Switzerland; UBS

Was there a corporate connection between the 2 ? 64.229.28.95 11:38, 21 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] the date of the start of auschwitz

There is a dispute about the date of the start of auschwitz. The Auschwitz slave labor camp did exist before the nationalization of the Bush-Harriman assets. The infamous AuschwitzII camp was built a little later, construction began less than a year before the nationalization of the Bush-Harriman assets.

from the wiki page on auschwitz: Auschwitz I served as the administrative center for the whole complex. It was founded on May 20, 1940, on the basis of an old Polish brick army barracks.

The entrance to Auschwitz I was - and still is - marked with the sign "Arbeit Macht Frei", or "work makes you free." The camp's prisoners who left the camp during the day for construction or farm labour were made to march through the gate to the sounds of an orchestra. Contrary to what is depicted in several films, the majority of the Jews were imprisoned in the Auschwitz II camp, and did not pass under this sign.

and

Auschwitz II (Birkenau) is the camp that many people know simply as "Auschwitz". It was the site of imprisonment of hundreds of thousands, and of the killing of over one million people, mainly Jews, Poles, and Gypsies.

The Nazis established Auschwitz in April 1940 under the direction of Heinrich Himmler, chief of the SS (Schutzstaffel, armed forces of the Nazi Party NSDAP) and German police and Reich Minister of the Interior. The camp at Auschwitz originally housed political prisoners from occupied Poland and from concentration camps within Germany. Construction of nearby Birkenau (in Polish, Brzezinka), also known as Auschwitz II, began in October 1941

[edit] Who is the CLN Family??

from the article "Adolf Hitler's financiers, the CLN family, formed UBC to manage investments in America." I find nothing regarding the "CLN Family" in a google search. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.81.112.188 (talk) 06:03, 17 March 2007 (UTC).

Good catch. A long time ago that read Thyssen family but somebody vandalized it (and dozens of editors didn't notice it until you did). Thanks for bringing it up. -- Dhartung | Talk 10:28, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed

[edit] Factual Errors in this Article

The Union Banking Corporation article is full of factual errors and should be rewritten with rigorous Wikipedia:Verifiability. I propose to begin the rewrite.

[edit] False: UBC Founded with George Herbert Walker as President

The article says that the UBC was founded with George Herbert Walker as President. This is incorrect according to my sources. [1] Whether Walker later became president is easy to verify. Loclaro 23:39, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] References

  1. ^ "New International Bank", New York Times, Sep 10, 1924, p. 33