Talk:Union (American Civil War)

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Some of this material probably belongs in an article such as 'attitudes toward the Civil War/states' rights as shown by the use of language'. But this has gotten about as tricky as I can manage without getting too esoteric and obscure for WP. Perhaps someone with a greater gift for handling discusions of nuance in other people's use of language might have a try at it? ww 15:55, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Contents 1 Which state joined the Union last? 2 Removal 3 Which States Were the Union States??? 4 Why have this article? 5 Delaware: "Border State"?

[edit] Which state joined the Union last?

map: i changed the map to use more appropriate colors...using the red/blue color scheme causes at best unneccessary linkage of current politics with a most painful chapter of american history.

North Carolina joined the Confederacy last. See Confederate States of America. Arual

[edit] Removal

This section, rightly, or wrongly, was removed--it is retained here for reference/possible future use:

In the United States, the issues of the Civil War have never entirely faded from ideological struggle, and occasionally resurface. Confederate apologists supporters, for example, will often object to the term 'Civil War' and insist on 'War Between the States' or a similar term which implies (or allows inference of) legitimacy of the secession decisions in the 'tradition' of the Kentucky resolutions, or of the various New England secession movements in the early 19th century. The distinction is not merely formal, but is often connected with current controversies, as for instance support for a strong states' rights position. Although these positions have migrated over time between the two mainstream political parties and been championed by fringe parties throughout (see, for example, "Dixiecrat" and George Wallace), anti-Federalism is currently embraced by a segment of the Republican Party and the Libertarian Party. ~ 168.103.97.214 01:28, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

what eva !!!--80.42.243.145 00:01, 28 November 2005 (UTCBold text I was just wondering how that had anything to do with the last union state?

[edit] Which States Were the Union States???

I am doing a project on the Union States. I was wondering which states were excatly the union states. ~Haiden~

I provided a list of them, although the opening paragraph states 23, that number seems valid only for a period of the war. I'm also not sure why Kansas gets special mention for entering the Union late. Others did too. -R. fiend 16:23, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why have this article?

What is the real topic of this article? If the topic is the United States during the Civil War then it should be titled as such (it is questionable why that really needs to be separated from the discussing the Civil War as a whole). If the topic is the Civil War there is already an article on that.

This article seems to be here simply to define the term "Union" in the context of the civil war. "Wikipedia is not a dictionary" so this is inappropriate.

BTW, I dispute the premise that the term "Union" today is associated exclusively with the Civil War. Although this is the most common usage the term is still commonly used to refer to the United States throughout its history.

Anyway, I'd propose that there is not a good reason to have this article and it should be removed.

--Mcorazao 19:57, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

There probably should be an article discussing the Union home front during the war. A separate article would be needed simply because of the size of the main article on the Civil War. I would agree with you that this existing article does not appear to serve any particular purpose. Tom (North Shoreman) 20:46, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree that there is not much meat in the article. It is probably there as a logical counterpart to the Confederate States of America article. The biggest argument against removing it would be the number of links that would have to be repaired, but if that could be resolved, I would not object to seeing it go. (I assume that some people may object if you simply redirect this link to United States.) Hal Jespersen 22:32, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I created the article during a disambiguation because a bunch of Civil War articles were linking to "Union" and linking them to United States didn't make any sense, since that article concerns a much more general context. It might make sense to redirect it to a section of American Civil War or something like that. I should note that the objection that the word "Union" is used in other contexts in history is not relevant, as this is not the article Union (a disambiguation page which could list such other contexts) but an already-disambiguated page on the Union during the American Civil War. Dcoetzee 01:14, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Delaware: "Border State"?

All the sources I can find list Delaware as one of the border states. (A few examples: Dictionary entries, articles from the Smithsonian and the Library of Congress.) Probably the most salient point, it was a state where slavery was still legal which nonetheless did not secede. 139.76.64.67 (talk) 22:12, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

There is no mention of the mason-dixie line in this article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.184.100.30 (talk) 06:17, 25 January 2008 (UTC)