Talk:Unified Sports Classification System of the USSR

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[edit] Probably inaccurate inf. moved here from the article

I removed the following excerpt from the article:

"The title was also awarded to an American:

  • Scott Sonnon (1993 World University Games Sambo Silver Medalist, 1994 Pan-American Champion, 1995 USA Grand National Champion, USA National Sambo Team Coach in 1993-1995, 1999) Scott Sonnon Biography"

I've done this for the following reasons: the citation supplied doesn't mention, that Sonnon was the "Master of Sports of the USSR". It just shows, that he was licensed as the first "non-Russian instructor of Russian Martial Art ROSS" in 1996, i. e. 5 years after the breakup of the Soviet Union. According to the citation, the Master of Sport in SAMBO and Judo was Alexander Retuinskih, along with whom Sonnon was licensed as the instructor, it doesn't say anything on whether Sonnon himself was the Master of Sports or not.

If one could provide a citation, that Sonnon was awarded the title of "Master of Sports of the USSR" or "Master of Sports of Russia", please do so, in this case we'll add this information into the article again. Cmapm 13:49, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Verified

I reinstated the title since this link verifies his Distinguished Master of Sport title:

http://www.rmaxinternational.com/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=74&Itemid=134 http://www.usadojo.com/biographies/scott-sonnon.htm —The preceding unsigned comment was added by B-ham (talk • contribs) 21:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC).

Thanks for the first link, it's clear now, that he was awarded the title "Distinguished Master of Sport". But could it be further clarified, when he was awarded this title? Was it the Soviet Union or Russia already, that honoured him? Cmapm 00:12, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Incorrect Information

I removed that information about Scott Sonnen again. Those links show that this athlete was awarded the title by "American Amateur Sambo Federation" and not the Soviet Union. 72.90.224.88 12:57, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

The Russian National Sport of Sambo, yes. B-ham 14:00, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
this article is about the Unified Sports Classification System of the USSR. The listing of an athlete that got an honorary title from an American amateur association is completely out of place here. It might work in another article, but not this one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.90.224.88 (talk) 23:49, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested third opinion

I have requested a third opinion on appropriateness of the reference to Scott Sonnon and the links to his biography for the reasons stated above, i.e. according to the very validation link posted here, never was a Master of Sport for the Soviet Union, but recieved that title from the "American Amateur Sambo Federation." I maintain that mentioning him in this article is completely inappropriate. 72.90.224.88 00:14, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Third opinion

I have read through the sources. I can see where the confusion has come from, as the sources are not clear. However, reading carefully, there is no evidence that Scott Sonnen was a Master of Sport for the Soviet Union. It would be highly inappropriate for him to be listed on this article. Regards. SilkTork *SilkyTalk 11:26, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Third opinion

Is using sources (entire RMAX site, USADojo blurb) which are generated by Scott Sonnon as to what he was awarded appropriate at all as proof of his actual awarded title? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.37.203.74 (talk) 20:24, 5 November 2007 (UTC)