Talk:Undertone series
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[edit] Missing references
...the undertone series is considered by many to be purely theoretical.[citation needed]
- I'm pretty sure Paul Hindemith makes this argument, so I'll probably have a reference when my university's music library opens tomorrow.
When describing the overtone series, it is conventional to start with C.[citation needed]
- This is pretty trivial, so we might want to just leave it out. The starting pitch doesn't matter.
During the experiments with temperament and tunings systems in the 1500s and onward, the discovery of the overtone series largely contributed to the rise in popularity of equal temperament and the major triad.[citation needed]
- This one doesn't even make sense to me. The overtone series would lead people to use just intonation, not equal temperament, right? This one definitely needs a source or it has to go.
Many people in this time used this as proof that equal temperament should be used because the physics of sound implied it with the major triad.[citation needed]
- Ditto for this one. How in the world is it a "proof that equal temperament should be used"? —Keenan Pepper 23:52, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
- Alright, it was definitely a bit stupid of me to put down things I was not completely sure of yet (that's what makes Wikipedia inaccurate often times) and so I will NEVER again do that. So my apologies. Now, as to what I was referring to. The book where I recall reading about what I vaguely described above and confused you with it was Stuart Isacoff's book called Temperament. I can't quite remember the exact arguement he makes in there but I will get ahold of that book as soon as I can and find it. I left my copy at my house so until I go back there I'll look for it in the university's music library. Thanks for your editing. SN122787 15:34, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
- I have that book right here and it seems to say the opposite. On pages 179-180 it describes string harmonics, overtones, and beating, and then the next paragraph starts "All this was bad news for advocates of equal temperament." It doesn't have much to do with the undertone series anyway, so for now I think we must remove it from the article. —Keenan Pepper 19:06, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
- Alright, thanks a lot! It looks much better now. I'm going to get rid of the phrase with starting on C. I also agree that it is useless. Sorry about all this, but then again it is my first article. My next ones will be better and I'll be sure to cite sources and everything as well. SN122787 04:42, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
- No problem! I'm sure it's a lot better than my first article was. (Hmm, what actually was my first article?...) —Keenan Pepper 05:04, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
- Alright, thanks a lot! It looks much better now. I'm going to get rid of the phrase with starting on C. I also agree that it is useless. Sorry about all this, but then again it is my first article. My next ones will be better and I'll be sure to cite sources and everything as well. SN122787 04:42, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
- I have that book right here and it seems to say the opposite. On pages 179-180 it describes string harmonics, overtones, and beating, and then the next paragraph starts "All this was bad news for advocates of equal temperament." It doesn't have much to do with the undertone series anyway, so for now I think we must remove it from the article. —Keenan Pepper 19:06, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] POV much?
I mean, if at least one expert in the field considers undertones "purely theoretical", isn't a bit POV to say they are naturally occurring? Of course, I assume good faith--perhaps this doesn't say what I think it does. But if the actual existence of undertones (beyond mathematical proofs) is contested in the academic community, I think both sides need to be given equal weight.
-- trlkly 07:42, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
