Talk:Ultra prominent peak

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A severe edit like I just made begs for an explanation; here it is. I deleted the material on "the top three" because: much of it was factually wrong; much of it was grammatically incorrect; and what was left over duplicated information already in the relevant articles, which the interested reader could click on. The list itself, naturally, duplicated the top three entries in List of peaks by prominence.

A bigger issue is whether this article should exist at all. The concept of "ultra" is one of recent and limited usage, so it is not clear that it satisfies the requirements for notability, namely two independent, reliable, verifiable sources. Note that there is only one reference. Disclosure: I did some of the early work that eventually became the ultras list on peaklist.org, and I think it's an interesting concept and an interesting list. But it perhaps needs to wait for a little more general acceptance before being notable by Wikipedia's standards. It might be better to merge this into topographic prominence or just delete it. Feel free to disagree/comment. -- Spireguy 03:50, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your comment. The page is not really breaking new ground, in that there are sufficient links to peaklist from other pages. There is another source, [1] (mine) but the independence of this may be questioned, and there is a notability question. Still, as another of the authors of the ultras list, I hope and believe that it will become more notable, in which case a page similar to Marilyn (hill) would be in order. There has been interest in the list at Google Earth. My vote would be to retain the article but then I am not a neutral party. Let's see what others say. Viewfinder 11:02, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

I have just come across this article, and I'm not sure the subject is sufficiently notable. I think the information could be used for a new section in topographic prominence, but the concept of ultras is basically restricted to a single site and, apart from listing them, there's not a lot to say about them. They're big mountains; they occur chiefly in mountainous areas; er...

Another possible location would be in the introduction to the list of peaks by prominence. Perhaps both. (Also, the current title has too many capital letters and one hyphen too few, but that's just nitpicking). --Stemonitis 14:54, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

This subject does not require a separate article. The entire concept of an 'ultra' appears to be based solely on the internet source cited, which is in itself of questionable encyclopedic value; it seems at best a methodological tool for investigating prominence. All of the matter contained here could easily be accommodated under a subheading in the parent article on prominence. There is no need for such minute sub-divisions when the article in question is so flimsy. Gunstar hero (talk) 01:31, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

While retaining my openness to persuasion on whether there should be an ultras page, I must point out that, although the ultras are listed on a single unifying site, the lists of ultras were compiled by several researchers, and their primary value is not as an investigation tool; they provide material for prominence based peak bagging, or anyone looking for high points in geographical areas. Viewfinder (talk) 20:43, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

I propose that there is now a consensus to merge this article into either Topographic prominence or the List of peaks by prominence. I would propose the latter. I'll do it myself if there is no objection. -- Spireguy (talk) 17:15, 4 February 2008 (UTC)