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[edit] 2009→2010
Should we move the article to reflect 2010? --Irpen 23:27, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, thanks for pointing this. I just moved the page, and will work to disambig pages previously linking to the "2009" article. --Riurik (discuss) 03:16, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
(1) The presidential elections in Ukraine are called by Verkhovna Rada (Article 85 of Constitution of Ukraine). As of now, neither in 2009 nor in 2010 the presidential elections have been called.
(2) According to Article 103 of Constitution, "Чергові вибори Президента України проводяться в останню неділю останнього місяця п'ятого року повноважень Президента України". Does it imply that the next presidential elections should be scheduled for January 2010? Likely so, but official interpretation of Ukrainian law can only be given (if necessary) by the Constitutional Court of Ukraine (Article 147 of Constitution). Also, "у разі дострокового припинення повноважень Президента України вибори Президента України проводяться в період дев'яноста днів з дня припинення повноважень".
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- article 85 of Ukraine's Constitution states Article 85 (7) states...
The authority of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine comprises: ... (7) calling elections of the President of Ukraine within the terms specified in this Constitution
Article 103 (English) The President of Ukraine is elected by the citizens of Ukraine for a five-year term, on the basis of universal, equal and direct suffrage, by secret ballot. ... The President of Ukraine shall not have another representative mandate, hold office in bodies of state power or in associations of citizens, and also perform any other paid or entrepreneurial activity, or be a member of an administrative body or board of supervisors of an enterprise that is aimed at making profit.
Regular elections of the President of Ukraine are held on the last Sunday of the last month of the fifth year of the term of authority of the President of Ukraine. In the event of pre-term termination of authority of the President of Ukraine, elections of the President of Ukraine are held within ninety days from the day of termination of the authority.
The procedure for conducting elections of the President of Ukraine is established by law.
(3) Neither a member of the parliament Yuryi Kluchkovskyi, nor the head of CVK Yaroslav Davydovych are given power to determine the date of the next presidential election. Thus, the source cited in the article ([1]) is not reliable.
Concluding, it’s likely that the next presidential elections will take place on Sunday, January 31, 2010. Yet, until the elections are officially called, I see little sense in speculating about something that yet to happen, and in creating articles about that. -- 23:27, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- You make good points. Don't hesitate to incorporate this into appropriate articles on wikipedia, including this one.--Riurik (discuss) 01:11, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
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- First of all, elementary act of reading comprehension of what's written in constitution does not in an absolute majority of cases constitute the original research. Nor does it require an assertion of constitutional court. As such, I am inclined to have the article stating the election date as end-January 2006, with constitution and Davydovych's statement being mentioned in refs.
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- Secondly, even if we imagine the date's uncertainty, this by itself does not disprove the rationale for this article to exist. Analysis on who might run for this election, what party will support whom and how well are the candidates positioned for the run are occasionally given in the media. There is no better place in Wikipedia for this info than this article. Future election is a legitimate topic and we have articles about such. --Irpen 02:12, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
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- The January date is pure speculation and citing one publication that is not an official source is fantasy. The end of January would place the elections in the coldest month of the year with temperatures as low as -25 or below. I know Yushchenko is a desperate man and will do anything to hold on to power (He is known to illegally interfere with Ukraine's Constitutional Court to avoid judicial review of his actions). Odds are that Yushchenko will not be president for much longer. If his party fails to win the election that should not have been there will be pressure for him to resign. Already the polls are showing 64% of Ukrainians think the President should be impeached. With a review of the constitution also expected to be undertaken now is the time to consider a change in the date for the election. April 1 would be a suitable date. UkraineToday 07:50, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
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If the election's date is uncertain, this should be at next Ukrainian presidential election, similar to next Serbian presidential election, next Thailand legislative election and next United Kingdom general election; if it's indeed certain, it's fine where it is. —Nightstallion (?) 18:18, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
We should most certainly not be basing the date on an article published in one news journal.
Article 103 states That Regular elections of the President of Ukraine are held on the last Sunday of the last month of the fifth year of the term of authority of the President of Ukraine. The president was elected in 2004. His fifth year will be on 2009.
2005 was his fist year Second 2006 third 2007 fourth 2008 with 2009 being his fifth year
The last day of the last month of the fifth year would be December 27 two weeks before Christmas.
It would be wrong and misleading to assume that the election date will be on January 2010 the coldest month in the year. It would be tagged Yushchenko's Cold War.
[edit] Public Opinon Polls
With polls showing 64% of Ukrainains wanting the president impeached chances are Yushchenko will face relection this year or early next year.
UkraineToday 16:24, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
- Seems like you forgot about the Orange Revolution. Yushchenko was inaugurated in January, which means the elections will be held in January.
- By the way, I'm sure the poll you're referring to was wrong: most people who vote for Party of Regions don't want Yushchenko impeached, and they make up about 30% of voters. the other 30% is BYuT + NU. 30 + 30 = 60, which means that the amount of people that want Yushchenko impeached is 40% or less. Please verify your facts. — Alex(U|C|E) 03:01, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
- Someone removed the reference to a public opinion poll in which 64% of Ukrainains supported the impreachment of Ukraine's President. WHY?
A public opinion poll published as recent as August 14 shows that less then one third of Ukrainians trust their president. The citation reference to the missing post can be found here. http://www.regnum.ru/english/859835.html in fact the poll is widely reported.
A poll conducted by Ukrainian Center for Sociological and Marketing Research SOCIUM,published on July 23, involving 12,690 respondents from all over Ukraine [1] reported that:
56.8% of those surveyed believe that the extraordinary elections to the Ukrainian Verkhovna Rada are not needed now, 30.9% think the opposite, 12.3% found it difficult to answer.
63.7% of the respondents support the idea of impeaching president Viktor Yushchenko. 27% oppose such initiative, 9.3% found it difficult to answer.
55.4% of respondents assessed negatively consequences of the Orange Revolution. 11.4% have the opposite view. 14.1% are more negative than positive about the outcomes of the Orange Revolution, 11.1% are neutral, 8% are more positive than negative about it.
On the question of Trust for political leaders
| Name | Position | Trust Fully | Trust | Distrust | Distrust Fully | Difficult to Answer |
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| Viktor Yanukovych | Prime Minister | 33.3% | 22.3% | 10.1% | 22.5% | 11.8% |
| Petro Symonenko | Ukrainian Communist Party leader | 14.3% | 22.6% | 10.4% | 27.0% | 25.7% |
| Rinat Akhmetov | Member of the Parliament | 11.8% | 22.6% | 10.4% | 27.8% | 33.6% |
| Yuliya Tymoshenko | Leader of BYuT | 10.6% | 13.4% | 8.1% | 58.1% | 9.8% |
| Viktor Yushchenko | President of Ukraine | 8.2% | 10.3% | 11.0% | 58.6% | 11.9% |
| Oleksandr Moroz | Speaker of the Ukrainian Verkhovna Rada | 5.9% | 16.5% | 17.8% | 31.9% | 27.9% |
The poll shows little change in voter sentiment in comparison to previous polls undertaken by Ukrainian Institute of Social Studies (UISS) in June 16 to June 23[2] and also in a recent poll undertaken by the Sofia Social research centre in which over 52% of those polled between July 27 and August 7 distrusted Ukraine's president[3]
Looks like someone is trying to censor and prevent this information from being published. UkraineToday 19:23, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
If you want the information you found to be included, look for sources which can be included in Wikipedia and which have transparent surveys. I don't consider the 64% survey you included transparent, as far as I can tell there's no mention of it on the survey agency's page. And Interfax has strict copyright policies. Also, please look up the correct citation format for web pages, just saying the page exists isn't enough. There needs to be a link. — Alex(U|C|E) 20:48, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
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- full citation and links have been provided.
I nor you are in a posituiion to be a judge of the quaility fo teh seuirvey. The opublciation source of thsi iformation are establihsed news agencys and the conopanies refered to are regully quoted in public opinion surveys in Ukraine. Your mathematics and assumptions based on your limited orginal research is seriously flawed. UkraineToday 22:07, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
- In addition to all that, it is too early to conduct public oppinion polls for an election three years away, therefore they're irrelevant at this point. All that is known about the election right now is the date. — Alex(U|C|E) 20:50, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
The fact that the date has not been set is one thing but the campaign is well and truely open to bebate and presentation of information. The citation is news reports widely publihsed within and outside Ukraine. I suggest you read more about fair use and reporting on news items. The polls in question directly relate to the next presidential election in Ukraine. Just because you do not agree with the results of the poll is no excuse or justification for you to remove this information. Similar results have been reported by more then one professional polling agency. If you took time to read the information before you sumarliy removed it from public view you would have noted that there is more then one citation and report. Are you falsely suggesting that the various news agencies and the polling services are involved in a conspiracy, do yob have proof to substanciate your claims? Wher is your citations that back up your asertions? Please stop vandelising this article by unilaterly removing information relevent to the topic of the article. PS The president if Ukraine might readily be facing re-election next year. After all he has violated Ukraine's Constitution and laws providing ground for his impeachment. UkraineToday 21:47, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
- I'll try to be as clear as possible: 2007 is way too early to be posting opinion polls. The campaign has not started yet and will not for a few years. Therefore, the information is irrelevant in this article at this point in time. If you have the urge to post it, post it somewhere else, including your user page.
- Also, as DDima stated, Interfax doesn't allow its material to be used on websites such as Wikipedia, which makes it a copyright violation. — Alex(U|C|E) 23:22, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
- As for re-elections next year, you're not a political analytic and Wikipedia is WP:NOT a crystal ball. — Alex(U|C|E) 23:24, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
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- Dima is wrong. Fair usage rules allow repoorting on public opinion polls. Ands I disagree the debate about the next presidnetial election is very much alive todfay and teh poll is a reflection of fact. and yes I am a electional analyst, over 30 years experience in the conduct, scruting and analyst of public elections. not that that matters. UkraineToday 00:37, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
