Talk:Uilleann pipes

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the article says that flat pipes were made to fit the generation whistles. as far as i am aware, the flat pipes were the original tunings. the d set is a more modern invention. here is a quote: " In the older sets the pitch is usually a tone, sometimes more, below concert pitch. Among players such pipes are known as ‘flat sets’. " it is from http://www.pipers.ie/home/Resources_History%20Pipes.htm

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Daiv (talk • contribs) 05:39, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

It looks as though this 68.251.whatever chap is persisting in adding some not-very-humorous, poorly-written and -formatted, ungrammatical, and downright annoying paragraphs to an otherwise sensibly-written article. These are the same changes that he or she has had removed previously, and seem to be concerned generally with removing links between Uilleann pipes and Bagpipes and with poking fun at the difficulty of tuning the pipes.

How is Uilleann pronounced? silsor 22:49, Oct 9, 2004 (UTC)

ill-unn or ill-enn. JOHN COLLISON | (Ludraman) 23:40, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] The mp3 is not Uilleann pipes

The mp3 provided at the bottom is a synthesizer or midi composition. It is not a recording of actual Uilleann pipes. Should it be removed?

The sound samples used to compose the sample are in fact individual recordings of actual Uilleann Pipes... A method very commonly used today for music composition... --Tait 03:44, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

The drones and chanter sound like sampled Uilleann pipes, but the regulators sound more like strings; they don't sound like any regulators I've ever heard. -Aaronimo

[edit] Other Uilleann pipes article

There is another article on wikipedia about the Uilleann pipes at Uilleann. I'm going to redirect it here, as this article contains much more information in more detail. There are a couple of facts in the former article that may be able to be merged here. The original article is here. Graham/pianoman87 talk 11:54, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Development from the pastoral pipe

I have looked at this web site for possible origins of the Uilleann pipes. They could have originated from the Pastoral pipes, played in Scotland during the 1700/1800s. Or both instruments could have developed roughly around the same time. For more information check out this site.

http://www.bcpipes.com/pipes.html#anchor377700

Also check out http://www.greylarsen.com/store/samples/essguide_chap1-2.pdf

user: Celtic Harper 01:54, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I've put links to both websites in this section, as one was removed (probably accidentally). I also added the indent. My apologies for referring to that edit as linkspam earlier - it seems to be a useful article. Graham talk 14:02, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Quite frankly, I don't trust these internet sites as a true source. Many of these American sites are commercial, and just get the facts wrong. BTW, I did a Google, pastoral pipes=627 and uilleann pipes=304,000. Are the Pastoral pipes a new handy invention of history. Any genuine experts out there? 83.70.252.162 23:07, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
I would say the folk selling pipes generally know more (though not always) than the punters, myself, but never mind. Pastoral pipes are very definitely real (see, for example, http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14 ) and look for the music page. They haven't been played very much for the last couple of hundred years, but they are a different kind of bagpipe, though closely related to the Uilleann. They had a footjoint to play a low leading note, and the common speculation is that someone took it off and rested the rest of their chanter on the knee, and so the Uilleann pipe was born Calum 11:40, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the Pastoral pipes did exist and they were made in Dublin in the early 1700's. Geoghegan, the Dublin pastoral pipe player from around this time is most likely to be the same Geoghegan who wrote the first book on bagpiping ever, Geoghegan's Compleat Tutor. Does it need its own page, don't think so. 86.42.154.52 15:49, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Geoghegans Complete tutor was published in London in 1745, There is an older bagpipe tune book by William Dixon published in 1733 for the Lowland Border pipes from the Anglo-Scottish border area. As far as I can see its the oldest, but there my be an older one. User:Celtic Harper 16:40, 03 November 2006 (UTC).

The oldest one is Hanrahan's melodies, c1694, national archieves Dublin. 86.42.131.109 23:40, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Too late, the already is a Pastoral pipes article. Where exactly they were invented is orobably going to be speculation for all time to come; however, they were manufactured in Ireland, Scotland, and London. The article could do with some work but is not the worst example of an article by any means. Calum 20:01, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Calum, self praise is no praise, is that your work? <,^,> 86.42.134.25 23:48, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Nope, never even knew that page existed until I googled for 'Pastoral pipes'....Calum 16:25, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Contradictory?

The introduction to this article says that the chanter is chromatic with all sharps and flats, but the Chanter section says that it isn't. Which is correct? Mawich (talk) 09:30, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

An unkeyed chanter is diatonic, with a few chromatic notes (specifically, it's in D major and can also play a C natural, a sort of E flat, and an F natural can be half-holed). You can add any number of keys up to that sufficient to produce a fully chromatic chanter. Calum (talk) 12:04, 8 December 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Revert

Revision of references, because they don't meet wikipedia standards. Also the theory of the pipes being invented by indigenous Irish pipes due to the Elizabethan ban on marching instruments has also been disproved. This was invented by Grattan Flood, and his use of the word illen as an older name. The union pipes in a written Irish context first appeared in 1760’s more than 100 years after the ban on marching instruments. As the pipes originally had a low C# footjoint and were played on stage in a standing position the theory is disproved. The evolution of the Union and Uilleann pipes was also driven by competition between makes; throughout the late 18th and early 19th century from Ireland, Scotland and England. Your quote for the Uilleann word for elbow can be found lower down the article. Playing the chanter on the knee was used to obtain a closed-end chanter that was already familiar in the smallpipes played on the Anglo/Scottish border and increase the dynamics of the open instrument. If you are interested in the history and development of the instrument, read;

P Roberts 'Unravelling the History of the Uilleann Pipes', Common Stock. vol no2 pp11-16 (1984) Brian. E. McCandless. “The Pastoral Bagpipe” Iris na bPiobairi (The pipers review) 17 (Spring 1998), 2: p. 19-28. Celtic Harper (talk) 09:01, 22 May 2008 (UTC)