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[edit] Title

UCLA-USC rivalry could also be USC-UCLA rivalry, both are used interchangeably. UCLA-USC has a slight edge in google over USC-UCLA

See also ISBN:1883792274 UCLA vs. USC: 75 Years of the Greatest Rivalry in Sports by Lonnie White

This article covers more than just the football rivalry, although it is the primary rivalry and the single highest point value for a matchup in the Lexus Gauntlet total.

Alphabetical order is UCLA first CHernandez 23:09, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

How unfortunate! I'm a USC fan, :( -68.4.73.34 05:35, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

I took some information from both the UCLA and USC articles Group29 16:23, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trying to maintain NPOV and prevent vandalism during game week

Particularly, the week before the game scheduled Dec 2, 2006, this article could be subject vandalism and non-neutral point of view statements. A list of pranks may be interesting to some, however many go beyond the realm of harmless college stunts. It might be best to stay on the high ground for the article. Someone else could create a list and maintain it on their own web site.

During the time around the game in 2006 there were a number of vandalism edits. There will most likely be more again in 2007. Group29 (talk) 20:31, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trick or treat kid joke

Put any two big time rival schools in the ESPN commercial where the Trojan costumed kid shows up at the Bruin fan's door and the joke is still funny. It is funny because of the history, each team has broken the other's heart at one time or another. (example: A kid dressed as a buckeye nut showing up at a Michigan fan's door.) The reason that it works best with UCLA and USC is that it is very likely to happen on any given Halloween. Graduates commonly can be found living in the same neighborhoods all around Southern California. That joke just does not work at all if a kid dressed in a San Diego State Aztec costume shows up at that same door.

Group29 19:14, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Football rivalry

Note that the information about the football rivalry could by moved to the Victory Bell article in the interest of space. Group29 15:54, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 1999 game

We need a citation for the reported piped in Jet engine noise played in the Coliseum during the November 20, 1999 game. I looked through the L.A. Times archives and the Pac-10 publications and could not find any information on this. Otherwise this statement does not belong. Group29 15:54, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rose Bowl on the line

I am working on this, it is tricky to deduce from the media guides whether the outcome of the game would have affected the conference championship for one or both teams. There are times when one or the other team has lost, and yet gone to the Rose Bowl. Group29 (talk • contribs) 15:43, 11 January 2007 (UTC).

The USC Media release for the 2006 game contained the section covering games with the Rose Bowl on the line. Group29 18:03, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


Even if UCLA wins this game and AU beats ASU, UCLA still might not go to the Rose Bowl. Hawaii, or BYU (assuming they win their games this week) would be non-BCS conference teams ranked higher than the champion of a BCS conference (UCLA) and would therefore be eligible for a BCS bowl bid. If you ask me, it's a ridiculous system that needs reforming, but that's the way the cookie crumbles.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=ncf&id=3130500

Bill Lava (talk) 00:06, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Possibly merge football series information to the Victory bell article

The UCLA-USC rivalry encompasses not just sports, but the overall rivalry. The football rivalry is the most notable competition. The Victory Bell article is about the football trophy, and could contain the football series information. Group29 15:13, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jerseys

I am not sure of the exact date when the tradition of both schools wearing home Jerseys started. I have seen black and white pictures of games from the middle of the 20th century where UCLA was clearly wearing their white road jerseys in the game. Also, I am not aware if the Article 3 rule about white jerseys was put in place before 1984 when the tradition stopped. Clearly there was a big change for the 1984 game at the Rose Bowl where USC fans were in the end zone, and then 1985 when UCLA fans were in the end zone. Group29 (talk) 16:17, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] UCLA- Air Force rivalry?

I had read in a college football book published in 1984 that UCLA and Air Force traded a trophy called "The Brass Hat". However, the series ended in 1976 and there is no history of it in the UCLA media guide, nor in the Air Force media guide. 198.203.175.175 20:00, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Basketball Series

Why is it that there is a record of the football series but not of the basketball series? I think this is a somewhat biased view of the rivalry as college football and basketball are equally popular. Also, this page extensively covers USC pregame traditions but not UCLA traditions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.119.253.224 (talk) 19:04, April 9, 2007

It's not biased, we just don't have that many editors interested in that aspect. Same with the school unbalance; there are probably more USC-affiliated editors than UCLA's. ALTON .ıl 07:32, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
The CONQUEST! is just one event during the Troy week festivities, and did not really need a whole section. More information is available via the link. To answer the question about why the football record is there, but not the basketball record is because no one has done the work. Speaking from experience, it takes a while to compile the table and information from the media guides and check facts. It is widely regarded that the football rivalry is the #1 most important competition between the two schools and the Lexus Gauntlet points reflect that. USC has the advantage in the rivalry for being first and also for being one of the best in the nation in college football before UCLA was established. Basketball is important, and is the #2 rivalry, but it does not have the same level of national attention as the football rivalry. Group29 15:11, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


[edit] "one-of-a-kind"

Although I wouldn't challenge the fact that the rivalry between UCLA and USC is among the most storied in the U.S., I do not think it is fair call it "one-of-a-kind" without some pretty good evidence. While both schools are located within the same city, I do not consider this grounds to deem it "one-of-a-kind" as there are other literal cross-town rivalries (Columbia and Fordham, for example). Further, there are also physically closer rivals, notably UNC and Duke. Unless someone can think of a compelling reason to call his rivalry "one-of-a-kind", I call it NPOV. Coreyander 00:24, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Daily Bruin-Daily Trojan football and "Band Bowl"

I hate to replace one undocumented "fact" with another, but it is certainly true that the DB-DT football games have been played regularly since the 1950s and were probably also played in the 1930s. The alternative would be to remove the date entirely. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis 22:57, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I originally put the eighties date since that is my earliest recollection, and it had been an established tradition, but I had no idea how far back it went. And I would agree, there must be some sort of record kept in the Daily Bruin and Daily Trojan offices. Somewhere there are two trophies with the Band Bowl scores going back to the fifties. I believe that the first trophy ran out of date squares and my understanding is both are in posession of the UCLA Band. A very nasty incident in 2000 with mass instrument theft of the UCLA band instruments and anti-semitic vandalism of the ones that were returned killed off the Band bowl. (Anti-Defamation League has some blurbs about it) Group29 21:54, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Founding date for UCLA

The date for UCLA seems to get altered more than any other single fact.
In 1881 the California state legislature authorized the establishment in Los Angeles of a normal school for the education of teachers, which was named the Los Angeles State Normal School shortly after its creation. In 1919 the school became the second campus of the University of California and was renamed the Southern Branch of the University of California. The name was changed in 1927 to the University of California at Los Angeles, and a comma replaced the word "at" in 1953. The campus has been located in the Westwood area since September 1929, having moved from its previous site on Vermont Avenue near downtown Los Angeles.[1] Group29 (talk) 16:15, 17 January 2008 (UTC)