Talk:UCF Knights football
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[edit] University of South Florida Rivalry
The fact that USF will be playing Miami in 2009-13, is sourced and accurate information, and should not be deleted. It is relevant to the USF-UCF series, and should be left in this section, since the USF-UCF series ends in 08, and will most likely not be extened, due to USF signing a series with another state school. http://www.tbo.com/sports/bulls/MGBQX2WKD2F.html http://www.sptimes.com/2007/06/01/Sports/USF_adds_statement_se.shtml
131.44.121.252 20:25, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
- While it may have some truth, neither of the articles you link to seem to mention this at all, and while USF may have a 6 year series with Miami, that doesn't prevent them from using another one of their games to do a series with UCF. Next years schedule has UCF playing USF. USF is also playing against FAU next year, so that disproves the theory that USF can't play Miami AND UCF. See WP:NOR, we need a reliable source saying that UCF and USF will not play. OT, but also please try to keep consistent with the reference style in the rest of the article, using the ref tags, thanks.
I have a source (Tampa Tribune) that states the USF/UCF series is over after 2008, as far as USF is concerned. They do not plan on continuing the series.67.11.216.245 03:53, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
http://www.tbo.com/sports/bulls/MGBNB9NBT3F.html
- The article says it is "likely" over and they are not _required_ to compete against a C-USA team, however it does NOT say that it will not continue. Its likely we won't know whether or not it will continue right up until the sechedules for the said season are made. As the article you linked to mention, several people are pushing for it to continue, while others are not. Until we have something that says the series is NOT continuing, we can't state that as fact. --Aent 06:40, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Aent,
I agree with you that the series may continue at some point in the future. I tried putting a compromise statement in the rivals section (rather than creating an edit war) that would be truthful and suitable to everyone, but it was deleted. It is "likely" that the series will end or at least take a break after 08. For how long is anyone's guess. It is also well known that UCF wants the series to continue more than USF does, otherwise USF would have continued series in 09, without saying it was likely to end. Also, I think it is a good assumption to say that although many students at USF enjoy the game, "officially" USF would rather create rivalry game with Miami. I don't think you can call a 2 year old series a rivalry game. Having said that, the game full well could become a rivalry game, so I tried to capture that in my edit, that would be suitable to all. I said it has elements of a rivalry. and that it may continue at some point, and that USF has signed with Miami, which may (or may not) affect the USF/UCF game. All of which is true. Rather than someone just deleting the entire post, I think it should be tweaked and/or discussed here before being deleted. Open for suggestions. Thanks. 66.69.108.194 03:30, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
- I've tweaked it a little bit to fit in a little better and tried to make it sound as unbiased as possible now, as all the statements in the article now are directly from the references cited. For the most part, I left all of the information you put in there... I'm not sure if the discussion about the series with the Miami Hurricanes really belongs, but I left it in there for now. I'm open to feedback and tweaking it a bit more to make it sound more accurate, clear, and unbiased as well, we definitely don't want an edit war --Aent 04:37, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I think your edit is fine. The only thing I might add is that there is speculation that the series may continue in the future (as USF has stated they will continue to schedule in state schools), but no dates have as of yet been given. The reason I put the Miami series is because it might affect future series, but we don't know yet. USF may play both UCF and Miami some years. By the way this is 66.69.108.194, but I am using a different computer.
I see someone edited back that UCF and USF are rivals. I give up, and am not going to get into an edit war. If someone wants to call them rivals, go ahead I guess. I still fail to see how 2 years equals a rivalry, regardless of how many fans attended. Rivalries take time to develop. If you ask USF, they wouldn't necesarily call it a "rivalry", although it could become one at some point. In my opinion, it is overzealous fans putting POV spin into the article, rather than trying to create the best article.67.11.216.245 04:20, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
- I agree. We can even seem to keep references in there. I tried to keep editing it to make it sound as fair and unbiased as possible, and added a note to see the talk page before editing the section, but no matter what you or I do, it seems that a couple of people are going to edit it to try to spin it the way they want :( I think once the current series is officially over, it should be easier to edit it without fighting an edit war.--Aent 05:16, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Attendance figures
The article from Orlando Sentinel [1] specifically states that UCF uses "an NCAA-approved formula that incorporates paid-for tickets, student tickets and a quantifier that measures the number of people who don't go through turnstiles, such as marching bands and team support staffs". UCF's attendance announcements didn't say "the number of people who went through the turnstiles at this game was X", they rather said "the attendance is X", which includes both people who go through the turnstile and those who do not, meaning obviously the attendance is going to be some percentage higher then the turnstile account. The NCAA has approved of what UCF does, and the same formula is used by many other NCAA football programs. Also let me take a moment to add that in the Citrus Bowl, students and those parked in select booster lots also did not go through the turnstiles either, which likely accounted for a large portion of the difference
