Talk:Tyagi
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This articles cannot be merged with Bhumihars. Tyagi is a more wide and common subcaste than bhumihar. Nobody in India or elsewhere in the world use Bhumihar as there surname. But the surname Tyagi is most common in westeren Utter Pardesh, Delhi, Haryana and Easteren Rajasthan. Therefore Tyagi is not supposed to be merged with Bhumihar.
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[edit] Tyagi origination
The origination of tyagi’s can be found in the documents of the bhaats. Bhats are those guy who maintain record family history and according to them tyagi are descendents of lord parshuram and according to mythology there is belief that lord parshuram had asked the bhargav’s not to take bhiksha, those who obeyed his words and they left taking bhiksha, they are called the tyagi’s and the other rest of followers are called shrama’s, pandey’s, mishra’s and other brahmin cast.
actually there believed to be many castes of the same kind across north india like tyagi in west up & delhi, mohiyals in punjab, bhumihars in bihar and east up, desai in gujrat and maharastra, galab in up and rajasthan. there are independent organisations working for the benefit and welfare of these caste and one umbrella organisation also seems to exist.
I also agree to the point mentioned above that TYAGI should not be merged with Bhumihaar. Thanks and Regrads, Anugrah atreya 12:18, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
13:00, 13 January 2007 (UTC)~
Big NO for this merger. Though both the castes are quite similar and emotionally close but they are very unique in many aspects so both should be covered under separate pages.
Ruchin Tyagi
Tyagis are a subtype of Bhumihaar that predominantly live in Western UP. TT 04:11, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Wikification
I went ahead and Wikified the content of the article and tried to clean up/organize its content. If there are any factual errors, please advise. The format of the article before was a bit chaotic. TT 04:44, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
I came back and tried to add more concrete references and really pinpoint the references as best I could. Still not entirely familiar with Wikipedia, so if any comments or feedback would be great. Chantoke TT 20:10, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] District Gazetteer and Taga vs Tyagi
the article now looks ok but there is need for lot of research on the issue.
It is well known fact at least among older population that word “taga” is the name which the caste used till very recently. In older records of the raj lot of references are found to the word”taga” (plural- tagas). Two creditable references are given as under
Quote (from the “ DISTRICT – MUZAFFARNAGAR- DISTRICT GAZEETEER- CHAPTER III THE PEOPLE-CENSUS OF 1901)210.18.119.115 07:24, 25 April 2007 (UTC) “TAGAS The Tagas, though not found in anything approaching the numbers attained in Meerut and Saharanpur, are still fairly numerous in this district, being represented at the last census by 10,448 persons. They claim to be a branch of Brahrmans and explain their position as analogous to that of the Bhuimhars of the eastern districts, but who they really are is a matter of conjecture. Sir H. M. Elliott believed the word Taga to be a corruption of Takka, which he considered to be the name of a race akin to the Scythians. Whether this be so or not, it is quite incredible that the Tagas, who are only found in any numbers in the Meerut and Rohilkhand divisions, should have come from Gaur. in Bengal, although this is the tradition of the Tagas themselves. At any rate, in this district they undoubtedly came from the west and were pressed by the Jats and Gujars into the northern and eastern tracts. They are now a purely agricultural clan and are good and industrious cultivators, but not equal to the Jats. Numbers of them were converted to Islam in the time of Aurangzeb, and at the present time there are 7,510 Muhammadan Tagas in this district. There are several subdivisions of the castes. The Bachas or Pachauliyan Tagas have a compact settlement known as tbe Bahira, which is said to have originally consisted of twelve villages in eastern Shikarpur. The Bikwan Tagas, said to have come from Bikanir, also claim to have originally held twelve villages; they are now chiefly found in Pur Chhapar. The Gandran clan is found in Budhana ; the Nimdan and Bhardwar in Charthawal; and the Rasdan in Thana Bhawan. At the present time half the Tagas are found in the Muzaffarnagar tahsil and most of the rest in Budhana. They are very considerable landholders, and at the time of Mr. Miller's settlement were in possession of 53,497 acres, or about five per cent, of the whole district. There are no large landowners among them, their villages being all held in coparcenary tenure.” UNQUOTE210.18.119.115 07:24, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Bisdes this other reference which I came across is in wikipedia only while describing Muslim invader “Taimoor lane” from samarkand in central asia in 14 th century. After he and his massive army plundered delhi and adjoining areas, there was formed a resistance army comprising of people from all the 36 caste residing in the area between ganga and jamuna river and with the avowed purpose of saving desecration of holi city Haridwar town from the invading army. Among the caste represented on the commanders of “SARVA KHAP ARMY” were two “ “taga” commander UMRA TAGA being one of deputy general and “RAMPYARI TAGA” one of the ladies commander. (this is available on wikipedia " sarva khap" These two reference have proven historical value in an otherwise total mythological arguments. Further work needs to be done at least on these these sources as these refers to a very rich work of other historian and in the process only historical truth can be unearthed as to how the caste evolved over the centuries.
sudhir tyagi (sudhir.tyagi@sbi.co.in) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 125.18.30.215 (talk) 07:13, 25 April 2007 (UTC).
I appreciate your references. Do you have any links to the District Gazetteer text, or an exact reproduction of its literature. While I appreciate your taking the time to quote it in your response, it seems that there are a number of typos and I would like to see the original text, or at least an accurate reproduction of what is written before adding anything to the Wiki. Also, when you say the connection between Taga and Tyagi "is well known" among older people, to whom exactly are you referring? That is to say, my father is a 58 year old Tyagi, and he is not aware of the connection. Tongue in cheek aside, I am a little reluctant to add the connection without knowing its source. I did look up the District Gazetteer and created a new entry on Wikipedia for international audiences unfamiliar with its origins. If you have any more insight, I would love to hear it. Chantoke 24.152.166.156 17:43, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Timur the Lame
I had some time today and I was curious so I went ahead and looked into your District Gazetteer reference. I believe that your reference to "Taimoor Lane" is actually in regard to Timur the Lame, a bloodthirsty Muslim general who killed around one million people in Delhi in the 14th century. Tyagis were involved in the resistance to Timur in the holy city of Haridwar, trying to protect it from rape and plunder during his crusade. I want to thank you for enlightening me about this important part of the surname's history. I had no idea Tyagis had such a tumultuous and noble past. Chantoke TT 22:30, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Taga- Tyagi connection
though tyagi's are a predominantly farmer community and it is a fact that rarely you will find a tyagi who does nt owned agricultural land. vast majority of tyagi still lives in villages of saharanpur, muzaffarnagar, meerut, gaziabad, noida, bulanadshahar bijnor moradabad distt of up, haridwar distt of now uttaranchal, sonipat, panipat and gurgaon distt of haryana and many urbanised village of delhi and there thay are known as taga, tagga or tagge.not only other rural caste people staying close to tyagi's villages but our own people still called themselves as "taga". off late there may be a portion of tyagi population which is not in a position to be in touch with their rural roots or for few generations staying at places where they can not be in touch with other tyagi people.
[edit] timur the lame: about sarva khap army
khap is word which is normally associated with the divisions of people belonging to jat caste which dominate numerically the area beyond delhi between ganga and jamuna. jats along with gujar were the main contributors to sarva khap army which was named so to denote that it has the support of all strata to the society.
[edit] district gazetteer- muzaffarnagar
it is a site by distt administration of muzaffarnagar where they have done a good job by uploading the distt gazetteer, which a very reliable saurce of recent history.
sudhir.tyagi@sbi.co.in
