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[edit] Neutrality

Someone put the tag: "The neutrality of this article is disputed. Please see the discussion on the talk page." on this article but they didn't say why here. Unless they say why they dispute this article, I'm going to remove the tag. It is bad practice to place a tag like that on an article and not say why on the Talk page, that's why the Tag says to see the discussion on the talk page. Fanra 15:21, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

This article is yet another wonderful example of wikipedia's !!!!neutrality!!! and !!!reliability!!! as a source of knowledge!!!!!!! Keep up the good work, guys!!!!!!!!!85.97.181.115 (talk) 13:24, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Relation to Other Turkey Political Articles

I'm wondering how this page can relate to Secularism in Turkey. Also if this page should be included in the Template:Politics of Turkey. Right now I'm sitting on the ideas, and waiting to see if I can figure it out. Some input from others on these and other issues would be nice. Fanra 13:18, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Protect Your Republic Protest

The Protect Your Republic Protest was something I was thinking of considering including in this article but it is more to do with secularism, although it is also nationalism. I've put off including it for now. Fanra 13:18, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This article is an original research: There is an internationally accepted definition for Turkish nationalism!

The content of this article is not scientific. There is an accepted terminology "Turanism" which has been used for the last century, that fits what the author tries to explain!! This article collects events, which the author believes are part of a national movement, but real concept and its page is somewhere else :-). The author seems to lack the distinctions between the Turk-Turkish-Turkic. This is an original research. --OttomanReference 02:08, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

This article includes Turanism (and pan-turanism) as a subcategory, but also describes more general trends and a far more detailed history of Turkish nationalism than the Turanism page. Ogün Samast, for example, would be described as a Turkish nationalist, not a Turanist. Turanism, generally, refers only to a desire to unite Turkic-speaking people. As you can see, said ideology is not the primary subject of this article. While this is related to Turanism, this article describes mainly nationalist movments within Turkey. The Myotis 02:19, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
I guess you try to explain "National movements in the Republic of Turkey." This does not mean (or equal) "Turkish nationalism". Also I guess; YOU are missing the evolutionary perspective of Turanism that can explain what you are trying to say... I do not have problem what you are trying to do. My problem is; There may be more appropriate place to cover these issues. Summary:The current form is wrong. And I know people who spend years on these terminologies that would agree with me. Thanks --OttomanReference 02:26, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
You make it sound like I wrote the entire article myself, and if that is the impression you are under, I suggest you check the edit log. When I started the article, it was meant only to cover ethnic nationalist movements within the region, but other viewpoints have been added. And I can hardly think of a better place to discuss ethnic nationalist among Turks than a page called Turkish nationalism. The Myotis 07:18, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Some here have argued that there is not such thing as "Turkish nationalism" and that it should be replaced by "Turanism". Considering that the latter term is not well known, while the former is, it seems logical to keep the title/name of the article. However, I agree that the article seems to be a rather random concoction of information. I would much prefer to replace it by a more robust/widely used definition. Also, it seems odd that the MHP party is not really mentioned in the war, although it is one of the most visible forms of Turkish nationalism today. Below are some good sources, as a start. Please feel free to add. CheersOsli73 18:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)