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[edit] Question about non-duality

I was introduced to the concept of Turiya by an interview with a man named Ken Wilber. The way he described it (as I understood), was as a non-dual state. That is, as in the deep-sleep state we have pure Consciousness (without any objects), which is much the goal of meditation in many traditions. But if we then have that same "emptiness" through the waking and dream states, there is a union of the formless with the world of form.

I'd be interested to hear any thoughts on this from someone with a more extensive background than I have.. Peace, -David Paxfeline 22:56, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

In turya only the perception of duality disappears. Perception and even mental activity continues, but it is all different now. Even if images and words still exist in the mind, they are all infused with a state of non-duality. They appear as manifestations of consciousness (cit) and light (prakasa). Thus turya pervades the other states of consciousness, it does not replace them alltogether. You can write to me if you like to talk more. Visarga (talk) 23:15, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Gaudiya Vaishnavas'(ISKCON, etc.) turn Brahman and turiya into illusions made by Krishna for the monists just to trick them.Domsta333 (talk) 11:44, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

It should be stated that not all Gaudiya Vaishnavians are ISKCON followers. Additionally, as far as my understanding goes, this debate has been going on ever since followers of Adi Shankara (Advaita Vedanta/monism) tried to suppress the Gaudiya Vedanta teachings many centuries ago. I believe that both philosophies have their merits, and that they can co-exist peacefully. Both philosophies describe states of consciousness that I have personally touched upon in meditation, and so I am grateful that descriptions of each exist. I see it as a progression - from dualism (Dvaita) to monism (Advaita) to dyadism (Gaudiya), and not one is superior to the other. One's experience is truly the only criteria for whether one describes the monist state as the Advaitins do, or as the Gaudiyians do. Ultimately it is what one finds within one's own inner experience that is the most important point.--Cminard (talk) 21:51, 18 May 2008 (UTC)