Talk:Tuplet

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[edit] Etymology

Could you tell me the etimology of this word? Does it have something common with a Tup? --A4 11:57, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

See tuple and [1]. Hyacinth 05:14, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
It's a back formation from 'quintuplet', 'sextuplet' etc. - all are '-tuplets' Ben Finn 10:19, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

Tuplet is a synonym of irrational rhythm as far as I can tell. (The only difference being that AFAIK 'tuplet' emerged as the term used in software such as Finale.) Hence I suggest these two articles are merged. Ben Finn 10:19, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

It appears to me that the two are related, but not the same. T-1 17:13, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

I've honestly never heard the phrase 'irrational rhythm' before, but it sounds like tuplets would be a subset of irrational rhythms. Either way, I don't really see enough of a distinction to keep them separated. Maybe if someone could explain the differences I'd change my mind though. Torc2 20:49, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Tuplets and irrational rhythm are not the same thing; a lot of musicians (and particularly music students) will be familiar with tuplets but may never hear the term "irrational rhythm" - for that reason alone, it seems reasonable to keep the two entries separate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.168.112.252 (talk) 20:47, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
I've seen, read, used, and been taught the term "tuplet" for many years, long predating Finale (and PCs in general!), but I've never heard of "irrational rhythm" before now. The word "irrational" seems a poor choice as well, since the ratios are integer-related, ie, rational (= "ratio"), as the irrational rhythm pages itself points out. To my mind an irrational rhythm might be something like Conlon Nancarrow's Study No. 40, with its e:pi rhythm. But regardless, I think "tuplet" is the common and widely used name. I can provide bunches of references from diverse sources if need be. Can anyone do the same for "irrational rhythm"? Pfly 20:55, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
If you can, please add some sources to this page that use the term and various notation. The page is currently unsourced. (I also oppose a merge; I'll remove the tag.) Rigadoun (talk) 23:27, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Just to follow-up: the books I have and thought might shed light on this turned out to have nothing on either the term tuplet or irrational rhythm. I checked the OED, but there is no entry for either term. So now I am not quite so sure about the history of the word tuplet (and still less sure about "irrational rhythm"!). Anyway, I'll keep an eye out for sources. Now I'm curious about the origin and use of "tuplet". Pfly (talk) 05:53, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ratio notation

The paragraph beginning "For other tuplets, the number indicates a ratio..." is evidently supposed to explain the ratio notation, but then it doesn't, continuing as it does as "So a quintuplet indicated with the numeral 5..." Could someone rewrite the paragraph using an actual ratio? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.122.157.131 (talk • contribs)

The number indicates a ratio whether it's explicit denoted or not. The ratio notation is explained later in the paragraph. If you think the wording is poor, improve it. It probably would be better if the illustration and the text referenced the same numerical ratio, however. —Wahoofive (talk) 04:37, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nested tuplets

Seems to me this page could use a mention of nested tuplets, like this example, and something about how to make sense of them. I'll try to add it myself if I find the time and energy, but thought I'd post this suggestion in case I fail to manage it. Pfly 21:00, 25 October 2007 (UTC)