Talk:Troy Southgate

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[edit] Removed misleading templates

I have removed the enormous and overbearing 'Far Right' banner on the article page. This is a POV categorisation because Southgate has stated here that the primary element in his syncretic ideology is the anarchism, not the racial separatism, and because he has repeatedly rejected attempts to box him into left/right labels. He is involved with something called New Right but we're talking about a movement which is intellectual and not political in character, which rejects conventional political categories as obsolete (see this review of its manifesto), and whose ideologues may claim as much entitlement to the name New Left. Given that Southgate has dissociated himself from almost everybody listed on the banner, this political pigeon-holing is not at all representative of the various projects Southgate is involved with now, especially (and heavily) music.

I have also removed the incorrect Third Position template. Southgate is no longer a Third Positionist and hasn't been for a good number of years (explicitly rejecting 3P here, for example). An appropriate and far more relevant replacement might be the National-Anarchist star and I will be looking into the possibility of uploading this. Gnostrat (talk) 00:31, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Controversy

This section desperately needs to removed - it solely consists of a quote from an article that could be mentioned in the politics section, if it really needs to be mentioned at all, and some ridiculous unsourced nonsense about rumours of homosexuality circulating on a mailing list. Belzub 12:41, 08 May 2008 (UTC)

I will just keep adding the Controversy section on this page. Ask for protection if you like. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.217.67.42 (talk) 10:59, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

(I have moved the above post from my talk page, as I believe it is properly addressed to everybody who is concerned with editing this article in accordance with biographies of living persons policy.) Gnostrat (talk) 14:29, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I've been combing through the relevant policy pages and have put together a comprehensive case detailing the policy violations in this section (although my edit summaries[1][2] make a sufficient enough case as things stand). I have also checked into deletion policy and evidently this material should be removed immediately pending discussion. I needn't go into these details now, as Belzub has just done the deletion job for me. Matters may be taken further if it is re-added. Please note the immediately relevant point of policy: "the burden of proof is on those who wish to retain, restore, or undelete disputed material. If the material is to be restored without significant change, then consensus must be obtained first...if the matter becomes disputed it should not be added back without discussion and consensus-seeking" (WP:BLP). So far, "Evola", you have continued to re-add controversial material whilst ignoring an invitation to explain and justify your edits. As long as this section violates policy, therefore, I (or any other editor) will be obliged to remove it as often as necessary. I would much prefer that you would take the opportunity to discuss it. Gnostrat (talk) 02:50, 6 June 2008 (UTC)