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[edit] Fiction

This article is currently written "in-universe". Please see WP:FICTION and Wikipedia:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling/Style_guide for ways to improve this. Lara♥Love 12:56, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

This issue has now been addressed and fixed. Thanks. Nikki311 17:24, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pre-GA review

Disclaimer: I started typing this list sometime earlier this morning/afternoon, so if any of the following has already been addressed, my apologies, but please still check it off the list. Thanks!

  • I'm concerned that 6 out of the 10 sentences in the "Early Career" paragraph start with the word "she." While the information here is interesting, this makes the read itself less interesting.
  • Y Done Nikki311 01:04, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
  • 2001-2002
How/why did Stratus become "involved in a feud with Lita"? If this information can be included and referenced, please do so.
  • Y Done - Deep Shadow 16:14, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
  • 2002-2003
Being only one of four women to ever win the Hardcore Championship (which isn't noted in the article), how did Stratus even get involved in a match to win it? I know the title-reign was short lived, but if a bit more could be mentioned about the HC title besides "in passing" that would be good. If it can be included and referenced, please do so.
  • Y Done - Added a little more info. Nikki311 16:42, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - Sorry to do this Nikki311, but I'm changing the reference from OWoW to PWWEW due to the controversy we had recently regarding the website. This way, we can prove that wrestling articles with a long career history don't have to depend on OWoW. - Deep Shadow 16:54, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
  • 2002-2003
Given that it lasted 3+ months, was there any more to the Stratus vs. Molly Holly feud other than the fact that they both wanted the Women's title? More ..as in ..any other reasons for the feud? If it can be included and referenced, please do so.
  • Comment - From what I can find, the feud involved various tag team matches and she was feuding with Victoria at the same time (which is already mentioned in the article). Also, Stratus was in matches against other Divas (not notable week by week information), which probably helped the storyline carry on for 3 months. - Deep Shadow 12:34, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - That's about what I can find, too. Apparently, all the face divas were feuding with all the heel divas, so it really was just a big mess of week by week. Nikki311 16:32, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - Fair enough :) --Naha|(talk) 16:34, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
  • 2002-2003, paragraph 4, sentence 2
Why was Stratus now feuding with Gail Kim and Molly Holly? If this information can be included and referenced, please do so.
  • Y Done - Deep Shadow 09:55, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
  • 2004-2005, last sentence of paragraph 2
Stratus was challenged by Hemme, who later revealed was being trained by Lita, for a title match at WrestleMania 21 and was successful in retaining the title. ?
Is there a missing word here? Like, should it be Stratus was challenged by Hemme, who later revealed she was being trained by Lita, for a title match at WrestleMania 21 and was successful in retaining the title.
Or possibly Stratus was challenged by Hemme, who was later revealed was being as having been trained by Lita, for a title match at WrestleMania 21 and was successful in retaining the title. ?
  • Y Done Nikki311 01:04, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
  • 2004-2005, first sentence of paragraph 3
In May 2005 Stratus was sidelined with the Women's Championship after suffering a herniated disc, with the storyline explanation being that Viscera had injured her at Backlash after she berated him for losing to Lita's kayfabe husband Kane.
I think "being" might be an extraneous word here.
  • Y Done Nikki311 01:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
  • 2006, paragraph 1, sentence 1
The storyline partnership between Stratus and James continued into 2006, with the two Divas even competing against each other in a title match at New Year's Revolution, where Stratus emerged victorious.
I'm just wondering if the word "partnership" should be used here? Were they still teaming together often or did they not team together again until the March 18 SNME? I may not be remembering everything correctly but if I am, the word "partnership" could just be omitted. If I'm on crack, just tell me.
  • Y Done - It doesn't hurt either way to take the word out, but that doesn't mean you aren't on crack. :) Nikki311 01:10, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
  • 2006, paragraph 1, sentence 7
dislocated shoulder should be wikilinked.
  • Y Done Nikki311 01:13, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
  • 2006, paragraph 2, sentence 1
Stratus returned to the ring on June 26 and started a romantic angle with Carlito after he saved her from a double team attack from Melina and Johnny Nitro.
It might read smoother if the the second "from" was changed to "by."
  • Y Done Nikki311 01:13, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
  • 2006, paragraph 2
Why did Trish and Carlito feud with Edge and Lita? If this info can be included and referenced, please do so.
  • Y Done - Deep Shadow 12:48, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
  • 2006, paragraph 2, last sentence
submission maneuver should be wikified.
  • Y Done Nikki311 01:20, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
  • 2006, paragraph 2, last sentence
Stratus defeated Lita by using fellow Canadian Bret Hart's signature submission maneuver, the Sharpshooter, to win a record seventh Women's Championship and retiring as champion.
I think it should probably be either
(1) Stratus defeated Lita by using fellow Canadian Bret Hart's signature submission maneuver, the Sharpshooter, to win a record seventh Women's Championship and retired as champion. or
(2) Stratus defeated Lita by using fellow Canadian Bret Hart's signature submission maneuver, the Sharpshooter, to win a record seventh Women's Championship, and retiring as champion.
  • Y Done I changed it to Stratus defeated Lita by using fellow Canadian Bret Hart's signature submission maneuver, the Sharpshooter, to win a record seventh Women's Championship and retire as champion. That way, the sentence structure is parallel. Nikki311 01:18, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
That works, I knew there was something odd there :P --Naha|(talk) 01:24, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Outside of Wrestling, sentence 1
What is the "World Natural Sports Association"? Also, did she do anything particularly important here that should be noted? As always, if this information can be included and referenced, please do so :)
  • N Not done - I can't find anything from a reliable source. I did find a fansite of some sort that says it has to do with promoting a drug free environment for athletes, but I'm not going to add that in unless a better source can be found. Here was the one I found. Nikki311 02:57, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Overall, I believe this article is very good and should not have much problem passsing GA. --Naha|(talk) 00:23, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Additional comments

I've only given the article a quick glance, I'll add more later but two points stand out to me.

  • The lead is too short, check out WP:LEAD for a guideline on leads and lengths and content etc.
  • Y Done Nikki311 18:38, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
  • There are redundant articles listed under "Notes" and "References", if they're cited (thus on the "Notes" list) it doesn't need to be listed again later on. Also in my view the "Notes" sections should be called "References" and the current references section is more like a "Futher information" / "Further reading" type of section.
  • Actually, I'm pretty sure they do. Footnotes are where you list what source you used for a particular piece of information. References are where you list all the references used. That's why in the notes section you can shorthand a book title to say, for example, Mick Foley. Hardcore Diaries (p.12), but you have to write out the full citation in the reference section including ISBN, date, publisher, etc. At least that's the way I've been taught and the method I've used on every college paper I've ever done. WP:Cite#How to cite sources seems to agree with me on that last bit. Nikki311 17:15, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Like I said my initial comments, may be more to come but it's looking pretty good already. MPJ-DK 13:38, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

  • There's one line that's bugging me but I'm having trouble changing it: "It was during her stint managing T & A that Stratus had her first taste of punishment in the ring…" in the 2000–2001 section. The word punishment seems like it could be changed. I would have changed the line to something like "It was during her stint managing T & A that Stratus took her first bump in the ring…" but I'm not sure if she had actually taken bumps prior to that. - Deep Shadow 17:06, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Now that you've pointed it out, that line is bothering me, too. I'm pretty sure it was her first in-ring bump, but I can't really find anything about that to either prove or disprove it. Maybe if you say "It was during her stint managing T & A that Stratus took her first major bump in the ring…". At the very least, if she had taken a bump on TV before, it was nothing as big as being put through a table. Nikki311 19:43, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Cool, I like that. I will change it now. Consider this point Y Done. - Deep Shadow 05:00, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What?

Why is there a reference section under the notes on this page? All the info from the references section is in the notes section. Can someone please explain this to me? (MgTurtle 23:52, 10 September 2007 (UTC))

The Notes (short for Footnotes) section is where you indicate where a particular piece of information came from, so that someone can easily verify it. The References (or Bibliography or Works Cited) is where you indicate all the references used. It is done that way in every major style of referencing: Harvard, Chicago, and MLA. Nikki311 23:59, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay. But that's seems like the same thing. Is it really necessary since it does add length to the page since there is no required way of referencing?(MgTurtle 11:12, 11 September 2007 (UTC)).

[edit] Former Canadian?

"Trish Stratus, is a former Canadian fitness model, retired professional wrestler and television personality.". I can't see any mention of her being a "former Canadian" except this one, so I'm guessing it's supposed to "... is a Canadian former [something]...". Do you agree? If so, edit the article accordingly. 85.224.199.36 20:19, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Also, please post new messages at the bottom of the talk page. Thanks. Nikki311 21:23, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

That won't work, because she was only a fitness model in canada, so she was a canadian fitness model. So, since she stopped doing that to go into wrestling, she is a former canadian fitness model, not a canadian former fitness model, plus, the first sounds more professional and sounds better, period.Ihavasthma91 22:22, 20 October 2007 (UTC) spanky

Trish is internationally recognized in the fitness world, not just in Canada. MuscleMag, B&K, Muscle magazine are all fitness mags that are internationally distributed and it's not only in Canada that she's recognized in the fitness world. Perhaps it would be less confusing to just say "Trish Stratus currently resides in her native Toronto, Canada and is a former fitness model, wrestler and television personality. - TK —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.247.18.169 (talk) 05:53, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA nomination Passed

This article is excellent and has a Good Article's 6 necessary requirements: 1. Well Written: Y Done 2. Factually accurate?: Y Done 3. Broad in coverage?: Y Done} 4. Neutral point of view?: Y Done 5. Article stability? Y Done 6. Images?: Y Done

Cheers and Great Job, Lex94 Talk Contributions Signatures 23:26, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

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should it be mentioned that trish is going to appear on the Raw 15th anniversary celebration? it's all over the wwe page, that's your source —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.194.174.58 (talk) 01:29, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Descent

As her father is Greek and her mother is Polish (stated on her home video), doesn't this make her of greek and polish descent? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.142.4.156 (talk) 23:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eldest

On her site it says that she's the eldest out of 2 other sisters so why are people putting second eldest on here? http://www.stratus-faction.com/d07bio.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.212.85.49 (talk) 18:38, 20 December 2007 (UTC)<!- It is her site though she even gave shout outs to it. . - Template:UnsignedIP -->

That's not her official website. - Deep Shadow 23:16, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

It is ..other sites even said she is 11 months older then Christy then comes Melissa. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.210.116.84 (talk) 03:57, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

No, it's not. It's a fansite. The proof is here. Her official site is and always has been TrishStratus.com. The proof is here. Anyway, the reason why it says she is the second eldest is because of the citation used in the article. A direct unedited quote from the source (an interview with Stratus) says "My (younger) sister, me and my two cousins spent our summers wrestling." It implies that there is specifically only one younger sister. That is why it says she is the second eldest. However, if you can provide a source that is not a fansite and is more reliable than this interview, I am willing to compromise on this issue. - Deep Shadow 06:23, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
That proves nothing either way, as
a) the word "younger" is not part of the quote but a later addition by the interviewer (note the brackets).
b) speaking about one "younger" daughter doesn't mean that the other daughter is the oldest of the three. It could also denote that TS was talking about the younger of her two sisters. TS could very well be the oldest.
I have not delved into any references for TS being the oldest and merely removed the unsourced claim that she is siters number 2.
And I have also included both parents' ethnical descent. Str1977 (talk) 21:55, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


Trish is the oldest of three girls. I have her Stratusfaction DVD she mentions that her sister Christie is 11 months younger than her and Melissa is of course younger than her by 10 years. - 26 May 2008

[edit] Trish-Dog and Stratus Faction?

Trish Stratus's Running Bulldog Was referred to as The "Trish-dog" and the stratus faction.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tTHhsCx3bng

at the 4:20 Mark It is called The Trish-Dog and at 4:41 Jerry lawler said " Get it right JR That is now refered to as a the Trish-dog."

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PHZFT2hO98o

and At 4:38 it is called The Stratusfaction

  • Finishing moves


I think It Should look Like That--ICECUBE1995 (talk) 19:52, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Repeated Text

The May 6th appearance doesn't need to be mentioned in outside of wrestling and special appearances. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.4.171.81 (talk) 21:50, 6 May 2008 (UTC)