Talk:Triple Crown of Motorsport

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Juan pablo isnt the only active driver to win 2 legs as Villneuve is competing in the 24 hours of le mans.

Villeneuve has not won two of the three. If he does, he will be a second active one. --Chr.K. 00:35, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Villeneuve only won the Indy 500 of these three. However, I heard the term Triple Crown used to describe the Indy 500, F1 World Championship and 24 of Le Mans (which Villeneuve would have completed had he won at Le Mans) --Kelsomallette 03:59, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

http://sport.guardian.co.uk/motorsport/story/0,,2104097,00.html also says the Triple Crown is Indy 500, F1 World Championship & 24 Hour Le Mans. If that is the case, Hill is still the only Triple Crown winner, but Montoya isn't even close... Can someone come up with a source verifying that the Monaco F1 GP is a part of the Triple Crown? Otherwise I'd suggest we change the page. --Fred Bradstadt 12:11, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TRIPLE CROWN

What an bizarre notion that anyone would think that the definition of Motor Racing's Triple crown is the Indianapolis 500 (yes) Le Mans (yes) and..... the Monaco Grand Prix!!

The Monaco Grand Prix is only PART of the Formula 1 World championship, and ANY authoritative reference you care to look up (even the one on the French version of Wikipedia, which at some point this article makes reference to) will confirm that the Triple Crown of Motor Racing is regarded as :

FIA F1 World championship

Le Mans 24 Hours

Indianapolis 500

The only driver that has so far captured all three is Graham Hill, (Jacques Villeneuve has 2/3, namely the Indy 500 and the F1 championship) and so long as the present entry for both "Graham Hill" and the "Triple Crown" remain defined as they are at present in Wikipedia, they will define precicely the weakness of Wikipedia, namely they are the work of someone more interested in his/her (misguided) conviction in their own infallability, rather than providing true facts.Peterkirchem 20:26, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

It isn't a "bizarre notion", and there are NO "true facts". There is no such thing as the Triple Crown of Motor Racing, in so far as no such trophy has ever been awarded. It's a recurrent notion, mostly of journalists, but the contents vary. I have seen each of the suggestions here called the Triple Crown, and I have seen the Daytona 500 included as well. If the accolade is to be included, it seems to me that the only solution - apart from name-calling and an edit war - would be to document and SOURCE the various suggestions. -- Ian Dalziel 16:39, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

The first time I ever heard of the Triple Crown was back in the late 1960's / early 1970's - and almost certainly again around the time that Hill won Le Mans in 1972. There should be mention in the (UK) motoring press from around that time. Online the only non wikipedia article that mentions the "F1 championship" being part of the triple crown is the one in the Grauniad Guardian, and we all know how accurate that rag is :) The article [[1]] is by 'Oliver Irish', someone I've never heard of, who doesn't even feature on their 'sporting writers' page and someone who's father was probably still in short pants in 1972. I'd place absolutely no reliance on a source such as this and more on those who were there at the time - I was, but some would prefer to believe the words of a trainee reporter/wet behind the ears 'expert' than an old fart like me. Be buggered if I'm having an edit war over this, I'd prefer to keep my blood pressure where it should be! M100 18:52, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

For what it's worth, what the French Wikipedia version of this page actually says is "In motorsports, the most prevalent definition of the Triple Crown is for a driver to achieve win during his career the world championship in Formula 1, the 500 miles from Indianapolis and the 24 hours of Le Mans" (translation courtesy of Google Translate, my italics). It then goes on to say "This definition of the triple crown had no official sanction, it may be subject to minor variations. Thus, it may also consist of the completion of three Indianapolis 500-24 hours of Le Mans and the Monaco GP, the three most prestigious events in the international calendar.". I agree with Ian Dalziel that this page should be updated to describe both possible definitions of the term. DH85868993 (talk) 22:59, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Done. DH85868993 (talk) 01:43, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

The second reference quoted in the article is on a page [2] first cached [3] by google on 29 Nov 2007 @ 04:10:02 GMT has no sources quoted and incidentally has no copy existing at www.archive.org - the cynical might say it was created in the past week or so purely to support the premise that the F1 championship is part of the triple crown and to support the changes to this page. The first reference also doesn't quote its source either, and neither does the French wikipedia article. Sadly history and other 'reference' works will probably now cite this wikipedia article as 'fact' when others including myself know it isn't. M100 (talk) 12:30, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

(outdent) I've added two more refs for the "World Championship" definition - the Guardian reference mentioned above, plus one from Bette Hill's book. DH85868993 (talk) 13:03, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

and one more for the "Monaco GP" definition. It really appears (to me) as though both definitions are used. DH85868993 (talk) 13:08, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

So we are back on with the Triple Crown thing !! As someone has quite correctly pointed out, there is in fact no such thing as the Triple Crown of Motorsport. It is a concept invented by someone for the sake of it, and as there is certainy no formal recognition of it in any form whatsoever, such as a trophy, a prize, a website dedicated to it, I am surprised it is included in Wikipedia which purports to deal in facts only. Anyway, I have dropped Mad Max Moseley a tongue in cheek email asking him to rule on the whole matter. Crikey.. maybe we get a fine of 50 million quid... and..... hold the presses.... !! Havent we forgotten someone who came close to winning the triple crown, and, if you include the Daytona 500 instead of Le Mans (as someone has) DID win the Triple Crown.... namely Mario Andretti !! And he came pretty darned close to winning Le Mans too, coming 2nd in 1995 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peterkirchem (talk • contribs) 12:44, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] definition...

The interesting part of this is, that Hill is the last le mans winner on this list. This is even more interesting, as Jim Clark (the only driver without a le mans win being added to this list before Hill) had a second place there - but out of the other four (and adding to this Nigel Mansell, who won both titles, but not their major events) only two even ever started in le mans - Andretti several times with one second place, Villeneuve with one start and only a 30th place). --TheK (talk) 23:43, 1 May 2008 (UTC)