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[edit] General article discussion

The article is misleading. First, although the Trilateral Commission originally included just three regions, it is now global. Second, the main point of controversy about the organization has little to do with whether or not it is a conspiracy.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.3.135.29 (talk • contribs) 22:37, 21 January 2003

This page needs some serious work! The article seems to put down the notion that the Trilateral Commission is involved in "shadowy" and "sinister" activities, yet it doesn't even attempt to explain what 'legitimate' goals (if any) this organization serves. To anyone interested in researching this topic, Noam Chomsky wrote some interesting comments about a report that was authored by the Trilateral Commission in the 1970's. The report was about democracy, and showed that the Trilateral Commission has an extremely hostile attitude towards democratic values and institutions, and views such values and institutions as obstacles to their objectives. This report was real and is/was publicly available, though the Trilateral Commission has since become much more secretive (undoubtedly because of the poor public image this report gave them). I forget the name of the report, but it should be fairly easy to find.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.99.133.123 (talk • contribs) 20:06, 17 July 2003

While Chomsky is prone to overstatement, "extremely hostile" overstates the attitude of the Commission toward democracy, if the cited Huntington report is the basis for a judgment about the entire organization at the time. Chomsky himself quoted phrases for their reports like "a greater degree of moderation in democracy" to address an "excess of democracy" in the Sixties. He is critical of the TriLat vision of democracy, which seems to him vaguely feudal. (See [1], an analysis with perhaps fewer of the cheap shots you see inn some of his recent writings.) It can be argued (and was, by Alexander Hamilton) that regulating excesses of democracy is very much what constitutional representative government is about, among other things. As for a democracy that is somewhat "feudal", I still see that here in Japan, though it's not even as strong as it was 10 years ago. It's always about what sort of accommodations have to be made for legitimizing government through some reflection of some part of public opinion. In the context of the times, and from the perspective of radical politics, it wasn't hard to imagine that groups like the Trilats were trying to design "roach hotels for revolutionaries", to find some way to reduce the influence of radical politics on public opinion and the status quo. Yakushima 09:44, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Can a link between the Great Depression and a rise of this trilateral commission be found? If so could we then suppose the wealth of a growing nation was redistributed amongst the 3 nations. I imagine the power of the UN was not far behind the formation of this 3lateral either.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.177.57.130 (talk • contribs) 04:10, 9 December 2004

I'm going to have to say no, because the Trilateral Commission wasn't founded until 44 years after the Great Depression started :) You might be thinking of the Council on Foreign Relations.--Gloriamarie 17:06, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

This article is not very informative. What the heck does the Trilateral Commission do exactly? I got to this page through the random article button so I have no prior knowledge what the Trilateral Commission is or does, and after reading the article I know about as much I did before.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.226.16.47 (talk • contribs) 10:05, 30 March 2006

[edit] Crisis of Democracy

Need I say more Zbigniew Brzezinski? Trilateral Commission on “The Crisis of Democracy”, make up your mind about it, I think it is very easy. See from this extract:

"Revitalizing Trilateral Democracies

Introduction: Troubled Democracies (without figures, tables or footnotes)

Two decades ago Michel J. Crozier, Samuel P. Huntington, and Joji Watanuki reported to the Trilateral Commission on “The Crisis of Democracy” that, they argued, confronted the nations of Europe, North America, and Japan, Their starting point was the widespread commentary during the 1960s and 1970s that envisaged “a bleak future for democratic government”—an image of “the disintegration of civil order, the breakdown of social discipline, the debility of leaders, and the alienation of citizens. [...] 1. the surge of radical political activism that swept the West in the 1960s, beginning with campus protests in the United States about civil rights and the Vietnam War and then echoed in such far-flung and momentous episodes as the events of May 1968 in France and the “Hot Autumn” later that year in Italy; and

2. the economic upheavals triggered by the oil crisis of 1973-74 that were to engender a decade and more of higher inflation, slower growth, and worsening unemployment" ...[read more in TC's full article, the original report THE CRISIS OF DEMOCRACY Task Force Report #8 "Text of Introductory Chapter (without footnotes) A. THE CURRENT PESSIMISM ABOUT DEMOCRACY" New York University Press (© 1975) Michel Crozier, Samuel P. Huntington and Joji Watanuki ISBN: 0-8147-1305-3

US Political Thought Notes on Samuel P. Huntington, Chapter III: “The United States” in The Crisis of Democracy, by Michel Crozier, Samuel P. Huntington, and Joji Watnuki

This is a condensation and arrangement of Huntington's argument, not a commentary upon it.

Critical commentary on TC http://www.ied.info/books/www/intropart3.html --203.166.96.239 12:55, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Criticisms - What a piece of triangular bull poop. Embracing porn, homosexuals, animal-human sex, cannibalistic views and calls it democracy? These non-goyish people must be really sick in the head, maybe God puked in their brains before making them. If Europe was really a democracy, why doesn't it ask its people... guys, do you really want homosexual activity to become allowed in public, please vote. Guys, do you want to go and invade Iraq so we can re-activate the Kirkuk to Israel pipeline so oil flow can be diversed from the Persian Gulf to a Israel that can tax Iraqs oil, please vote. Guys, do you want to allow demeaning credit plans to become legal via financial institutions in the form of a plastic card, please vote. Guys, do you want most of your media to become owned by a guy called Rupert who has tatooed Israel in his nuts or should we stop such information monopolies, please vote. Guys, do you want to loose your currency, culture and national values in exchange for beer, porn and stupidity so when Uncle Ziju wants to make the world one, there would be less cultural clashes as cultures would have been wiped out of the face of the earth, please vote. Guys, do you want our country, even though its developed and economically stable to keep borrowing from financial moguls so our strings are pulled by big global bankers, since we as a British nation have more debt than all of Africa put together, please vote. Guys, do you want us to invade afghanistan to find a guy called bin laden who has kidney disorder, needs dialysis 3 times a week, who magically lives in afghan mountains directing terrorist activities around the world from his telepathic internet computer and while we are hunting for him and his demolition crew who perfectly dynamited the WTC towers, lets kill a dozen civilans too so we can test our weapons, please vote if you want this. Guys, do you want a private health service, even though the national health service is extremely good, unfortunately sabotaged by non-goyish acitvities so you all have to pay for health cover on top of the enourmous taxes that are designed to ensure you won't have enough to save up, please vote. If Europe was really a democracy, and majority could decide, I guess we still would have had our traditional views, churches and intellectual entertainment, instead of the BBC post Michael Winogradski (masked surname: Grade) who managed to incrase the sex count from 11 to an amazingly 336 counts per day across the BBC channels (iow, how many times the word sex and sexual connotations are used in tv shows per day). Wow Mr. Grade/Winogradski, you sure managed to satisfy the anunaki and transform alot of British men from respectful moral men into stupid frustrated weak sexual freaks. Well done. The "crisis of democracy" is a pack of lies, which is embracing evil instead of good. Take this knowledge with you and laugh while you read it. Thank You for reading this far--78.86.159.199 (talk) 02:10, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Membership List

How are the names on the membership list verified, other than having a person whose name appears on the list make known his or her membership in a public statement? patsw 15:44, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

http://www.trilateral.org/memb.htm CristianChirita 21:53, 18 February 2006

Patsw, order the full list yourself from the bottom of that website. You email them, they email you the list back in a couple of days as an MS Word file. Giuliani's name is right there. =) 65.28.2.172 01:49, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Anonymous editor, you have just conceded that as entered, Giuliani's membership is not verified. I am under no obligation to verify the edits made by someone else. He or she must provide verification. patsw 02:31, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Logo

I believe they have a logo of some sort, with three arrows pointing to the center. If it is real (and not just made up by some con-nut, it should be included...--213.101.247.115 13:45, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Crisis of Democracy report pdf download

A pdf download of the report " THE CRISIS OF DEMOCRACY Task Force Report #8" from the Trilateral Comission is available at the Trilateral website, at http://www.trilateral.org/projwork/tfrsums/tfr08.htm I think it would be usefull to place it in this entry, since much of the commentary about the trilateral comission is about this specific report. I would have done it myself, but: 1 - The external links section is already very big. Perhaps it would be usefull to cut a unecessary link, and place one for this pdf download? 2 - Should it be mentioned in the main article? Should a new wiki entry be created about this report?

The report is very interesting, a view into the minds of the world elite at the begining of the 70's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.84.103.151 (talk • contribs) 12:13, 1 April 2006

[edit] What do they do?

What is the purpose or objectives of this organization? How often do they meet? What do they produce i.e. meeting notes or reports?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.12.121.188 (talk • contribs) 12:29, 18 November 2006

read their book The Crisis of Democracy and the Chomsky essay that is linked to in the wiki article: http://www.chomsky.info/books/priorities01.htm—Preceding unsigned comment added by LamontCranston (talk • contribs) 105:29, 10 July 2007
I think they mean, what is the aim of the Commission? I can not tell by looking at the page. JoeHenzi 07:42, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
I believe that the aim of the Commission is to act as a Global Intellectual Aristocracy. If this is true, as long as their own ethics compel them to serve the public good, they are an essential hidden element of all democracies. It is obvious that democracy only means government via propaganda, as the irrational/impressionable masses are the ones who hold power. And so if somebody doesn't steer the perceptions of the masses towards views that encourage civilization, a charismatic demagogue such as Hitler will gladly steer their views towards barbarism. Philosopher8 11:39, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Geolink

The purpose of the geolink in the page is not clear, plus it seems to break the page design (see source).--Nicolas1981 22:44, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

The geolink templates have been shortened. I hope it is tolerable.--SallyForth123 04:56, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Conspiracy theories

There should at least be a mention of the various conspiracy theories involving the Trilateral Commission.Intelinside2007 04:14, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I first wanted to see this article to see if there was a connection between them and some really weird conspiracies. Mus640 (talk) 02:02, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree. I am no conspiracy theorist, but I thought it odd there was no conspiracy section. I came accross a book one time called Architects of Conspiracy, which was about the conspiracy involving the Trlateral Commission. I believe it was by the John Birch Society. J. D. Hunt (talk) 19:20, 1 May 2008 (UTC)