Talk:Treaties between Rome and Carthage

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[edit] Translation from the Italian

Over the past couple of days I've translated the entire article from the Italian (it:Trattati Roma-Cartagine). I'm currently going back over it to try to make it read better in English. My Italian's pretty poor, so I'm not entirely sure I've caught everything, and would greatly appreciate anybody that speaks Italian making sure I haven't left out something important, or misinterpreted the original. On the other hand, the Italian original has a lot of extra information and some things that read a lot like OR or opinion, and I've been trying to cut that out. Again, any help appreciated. —Ryan McDaniel 14:41, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm a native Italian, so I'll give a try. BTW, I've noted one of the two maps in the Italian article has not been placed in the translation; why did you decide it was better not to put it?--Aldux 15:25, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

See discussion below on maps, but basically I thought that although they convey useful information, the maps as drawn didn't really live up to the Wikipedia standard. If I have some time this weekend, I'll try to draw better ones to replace them. —Ryan McDaniel 16:57, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, by the way, for taking the time to look it over. Rude of me not to have said so at once.  :-) —Ryan McDaniel 17:01, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Aldux, thanks for the assist. However, I'd like to keep some of the unnecessary parts out of the translation. I don't think it helps this article to know that the Carthaginians brought their god Melqart with them, for example. (If they believed that Melqart had told them to fight the Romans, maybe, but it doesn't seem to contribute anything.) Does that make sense, or am I just ranting? —Ryan McDaniel 20:54, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

No problem, don't ever be afraid of contradicting me, or of doubting of my edits; while I am, as I said, a native Italian, my English isn't so brilliant, and I agree on your objections.--Aldux 00:04, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Maps

The maps on the Italian article are okay, but could definitely be better. Eventually I'll get around to making some, but if anyone else has or knows of better maps to use right away, that would be great. —Ryan McDaniel 14:41, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Another Treaty

According to M. Cary in the Journal of Roman Studies,pg. 71 of the 1919 edition, there was also another treaty in 343BC that was left out by Polybius either because it was unflattering to Rome or because it was lost somewhere in the disorganized Roman archives. However, the treaty was mentioned by Philinus and its context by Livy. Yet, I am not certain why Cary does not mention the treaty of 509BC, which is mentioned by Polybius. I don't know if this helps anyone, but I thought I might say something. Saepe Stultus 03:35, 23 October 2007 (UTC)