Talk:Travian/Archive 1

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Freeware?

Could Travian be labeled as a Freeware game? --Asososocrates 07:59, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't think so - you don't download it, so it is not strictly software, which freeware genarally refers to. The Missing Piece 18:17, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Should be classified as kind of free-of-charge shareware that never requires you to register. --Deryck C. 18:27, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

It's a browser-based game. It's not software, therefore it's not shareware, or any type of -ware for that matter. 88.107.206.253 01:12, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Would the mention of past server winners be pertinent? This article doesn't even explain the mechanics of the game. --MrBlonde 12:26, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Although you don't download it, it is still software, it's just that the software runs on Travian's servers, rather than the user's PC.Dansiman 10:54, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Chinese vers

Chinese version of this article has a very comprehensive guide to the contents of the game. Should we incorporate those texts? --Deryck C. 09:36, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Hangon

The following articles were proposed for deletion:

  • Xenocide rpg
  • histdiffWorlds of War II
  • WEBoggle
  • Visual Utopia
  • Ultimatearcade.com
  • Tribal Wars
  • Travian
  • The Last Knights
  • Territory War
  • TV Stocks Online
  • Sunday League (game)
  • Starships!
  • SlaveHack
  • Senior League Hockey
  • Realspace 2
  • Realms of Mayhem
  • Race War Kingdoms
  • Prophecy of Victo
  • Planetia
  • PimpNationals
  • Need For Madness?
  • MotherLoad
  • Midnight Terror
  • ManagerLeague
  • The Lord Archmage
  • Lands of Hope
  • Inselkampf
  • ITSAGOAL
  • Horse Isle RPG
  • GHO-Trader
  • Freekick
  • The Five Pillars (Online Game)
  • Ferion
  • Evolution (MMOG)
  • Down town mafia
  • Disposal project
  • Dead Awaken

The speed at which these were proposed for SD suggests DarkSaber2k did not properly consider them, Travian, Ferion and Inselkampf as examples are long established articles and have large user bases.

DarkSaber2k is either misinterpreting criteria and guidance of web notability as straight rules. They must be flexible to protect articles of minority interest such as this category.

These requires the input of an administrator and a full discussion.


Bjrobinson 16:31, 20 April 2007 (UTC) Please see Bjroinsons talk page for my response to this. DarkSaber2k 16:45, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Dear user DarkSaber2k: first I must tell you that I am vivid player of Travian MMORTS, so I should reveal to you that Travian article is also made in other languages Wikipedias such as Català Dansk Español Français Galego Italiano Lëtzebuergesch Nederlands Polski Português Русский Suomi Svenska Türkçe 粵語 中文, -so dear user DarkSaber2k will you propose deletion also those other sites so that any mention of Travian is completely erased from Wikipedia and people worldwide are gratefuly saved from reading that insignificant articles? IMHO the discussion about deletion of some article should be placed on that articles discussion page and not on some users talk page. And by the way you as a notable deletionst should above all consider deletion parts of your own Wikipedia user page, because information that "The Internet - Where Men are Men...and so are most of the Women" has nothing to do with your activity as Wikipedia editor. --Bluewind 08:25, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Nor does it have to. WP:USER states that excessive use of a user page for non-wikipedia information is not allowed. One sentence is not excessive by any stretch of the imagination. WP:USER also states: You might want to add quotations that you like, as acceptable, so I did. Next time you want to try and lecture somebody, it might be advisible to actually read up on the subject beforehand. DarkSaber2k 17:08, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Dear user DarkSaber2k additionaly I have thouroughly investigated the edit history of your own talk page User_talk:DarkSaber2k so that I have found out that you regularly deletete talk page entries so that other people can not see that numerous complaints about your problematic Wikipedia editing behavior which can be described as agressive and arrogant deletionism. At least by deleting those complaints you indicate that your actions are not fair so you need to hide them. Keep on mind that deletion is not answer but cowardice and turpitude. --Bluewind 08:52, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
So your saying that cowardice and turpitude are the answer and not deletion? And incidently, I have nothing to hide, because hiding something implies guilt. Every user is entitled to remove information, including official warnings, from his or her talk page. Anyone with any experience at all on wikipedia knows that you can check the history of an article and read what was deleted. That's why I had no qualms about removing the discussions. I knew anyone truly desperate to try and cause trouble would go their immediately, so whether the disucussions were still visible or not was irrelevant. I have since restored all the 'hidden' discussion to my talk page. Let me know if I've missed any will you? DarkSaber2k 17:12, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
You are entitled to remove comments for archiving, but generally not due to the fact that you want to close the discussion. On the other hand, third-party web search results are only references to a subject's notability. It should not be used as a criterion for deletion. Not all software users will post software reviews. Instead, the popularity of the software should also be considered. Travian, being a software with millions of users, should be considered notable. --Deryck C. 11:08, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Notability

This article is in dire need of references. I've been bouncing from article to article finding references for articles that need them. I believe that there is a concerted effort to get rid of articles about MMORPGs, and one of the tools they use is to attack the notability of a game, because it's nototiously difficult to prove. Go to your libraries and bookstores and try to find references in printed books and magazines, don't just google. Many games like this have a huge amount of google hits. It's NOT ENOUGH. (For an example, see Starships, the only other game to survive the Great Whack). We need printed sources and independent (not user submitted) reviews. They are out there. Let's find them.Matt Brennen 18:39, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

  • The third party links section is not too bad now. I think an idependent review or two will do the trick. Matt Brennen 21:03, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I read this after making my post about fansites. I think having a collection of fansites may add something to the notability of a game. I am not talking about ad or promotional sites. I am specifically talking about fansites that are run and maintained by its players. Cjordan79 13:30, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Fan sites have already been ruled out in numerous other related discussions. They are not reliable or independent. DarkSaber2k 13:36, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Well what if those Fan sites contribution FAQs, HOWTOs, and general tips for getting involved in the game? 71.7.145.123 14:55, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Well , what of it? DarkSaber2k 14:58, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Logo

I also just added a logo. Does anyone have any screen shots? ...and do not forget to search notability, it's super important. Matt Brennen 01:30, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

There are some screenshots at the website (Travian.com). You could use those. Snrabu (talk) 03:35, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Starships! up for deletion

I hope everyone listens closely. Look at the list above. Only Travian and Starships! remain. Now they have Starships up for deletion, if they get it, and they will if nobody helps, Travian will be the last one left. Take a look at Starships's sourcing. Read the Starships talk page and see what's planned for Travian. If you think I'm crazy, you are fooling yourself. There is an all-out attempt to remove every game in this category, and we need to wake-up and save these articles.Matt Brennen 02:36, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a battleground. Stop treating this like this is a war where you have to rally troops. If there are multiple reliable sources, the article stays; if not, it goes. --Wafulz 02:52, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
What category are you even talking about? --McGeddon 02:12, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
I thought you said you weren't going to follow me to any more articles? This is Wikistalking. Matt Brennen 21:02, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
No, I didn't say that. But I don't remember following you from anywhere, I'm just generally active in the MMORPG section of Wikipedia. --McGeddon 21:23, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Matt, this articles on my watchlist as well, does that mean I'm stalking you too? DarkSaber2k 22:21, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Category:Browser-based games and/or Category:Massively multiplayer online games I would assume. --Wafulz 03:41, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
For some reason certain people think that the Browser-game category has been reduced to about 5 articles, all of which are on the verge of deletion. This is not the case, since at least a quarter of 51 articles that still remain are easily notable, another quarter just need a couple of sources ot back up their claims of notability, while the others are borderline and currently being reviewed. The list he means, however, is the one at the top of this talk page, which is not the entire browser game category. It's a list of the games from that category that totally failed to assert notability and were recently deleted. But that list is less than half of the total amount of articles that were in the browser game category.DarkSaber2k 08:32, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Adding links to fansites

I think it is highly appropriate to have a section that contains links to fansites for Travian. One of the things that this Wikipedia article does not convey about Travian is the size of its community. Having a list of fansites I think would be both useful to the average reading wanting to know more about the Travian community and perhaps for comparative purposes with other games with large communities. Anyhow, those are my thoughts about having lists of fansites. Cjordan79 12:45, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

This is frowned upon. Articles shouldn't be used as link farms. In all honesty though, I don't know if this article could ever have reliable sources, so it might not exist for long. --Wafulz 21:33, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, Travian is the last one left. Sadly, these deletions will not stop until the mission to completely wipe out all MMORPG articles is complete. With Starships! gone, the door is now open to delete them all. Starships had ten times the sourcing of these remaining games, so I'm sure we can kiss them all goodbye. Matt Brennen 20:58, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Here we go again. Matt, even after the recent cull there still around 50 articles in the broswer game category, so your comment of 'last one left' is fallacy. It is only the last one left out of the articles I originally targetted with notability and sourcing issues. (See my comment from 5 days ago up above.) DarkSaber2k 22:22, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

German Wiki

It looks like this has been deleted on the German Wikipedia many, many times. See deletion log. --Wafulz 15:26, 4 May 2007 (UTC)


VG Assessment

This is in regards to the request at the VG Assessment page. I'm rating this article as Stub-class, No-importance. Here are a few tips to improve it!

Right, so, it's stub class because literally half the article is external links to third party tools and various websites. What's left (aka the actual article) is a stub. As for suggestions, look at the article. There is a (short) lead, and there is a gameplay section. You desperately need a reception section, and a development section wouldn't be amiss. Honestly though, you know what this article's biggest problem is. DarkSaber2k might be aggressive, but he is completely right. There is absolutely nothing in this article saying why Travian is important or notable to anybody. You don't even do the first step, which isn't even enough by itself, of saying how many players there are. You need to find, somewhere on the web, somebody(s) who is a reliable source saying something about Travian. Nice things, bad things, indifferent things, whatever. Do something to prove that this meets WP:WEB, and do it fast. I don't like writing assessments that are going to be deleted, and it's looking like this one will. --PresN 04:15, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Would it be correct to take all the servers the game is currently being played on, and sum the number of players on each one? Of course this would only be an approximation, but given that the number would be in the millions, an approximation is really all you need. 222.152.31.198 08:49, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Travianwiki?!

Maybe someone could somehow link this to the article: [1] or simply mention it. Gimbrinel 15:55, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Nonsense. Perhaps that link once went to something of value, but it appears to be a spam site now. I've deleted the link from the article. Someone more wikipedia savvy can determine if it's appropriate to even have it on this talk page. -anon

Versions?

What I really miss in the page about travian is the history of versions.. the game itself is also very confusing about this.

What's the difference between version 2 and 3? Since when is there a version 3? In various FAQ's about the game there is also a mentioning about version 3.1 ? Since when is that version? What were the changes? Is there a newer version in development? There are signs in techtrees about a non-implemented brewery?

Could anyone shed some light on this?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.101.243.237 (talk • contribs)

If even the FAQs don't explain this, there's no reason for Wikipedia to. --McGeddon (talk) 20:07, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

NPOV

"Also travian is very fun to play, try it!"

Many other lines are written like this, most have been edited or removed to preserve NPOV. Jafet 14:01, 24 August 2006 (UTC) Would the mention of past server winners be pertinent? It sounds incomplete.--MrBlonde 12:25, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually it would be really a fun game if it wasn't for all of those players who had months to build an army and are harassing newbies who had 2 days to do so... – Alensha talk 22:54, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Or those Romans who use fire catapults to destroy all of my buildings and resource fields :( Chenhsi (talk) 00:51, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

new framework

I've changed the format of the article a bit. Feel free to fill it out a bit if you feel it needs it; It's still far from finished but has a clearer structure now. The reference to GamesDynamite is from the the German wikipedia, and I still need to find a reference to that. thanks. The Missing Piece (talk) 16:31, 5 February 2008 (UTC)