Talk:Transitioning (transgender)

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Transitioning from one sex to another does not always include any gentital reconstruction. This topic should be kept seperate.

It does not always include genital surgery, but that is a big part of it for many people. So we would be remiss to not include it. That is, insulin is not always a part of the treatment for type II diabetes. But it is certainly a big part for many type II diabetics. So any article that discusses treatments for type II diabetes should include a discussion of insulin. Just because every type II diabetic does not use insulin, that does not mean that it should not be included.
Moreover, more to the point, I don't think there is ANY aspect to transitioning, that every transperson does. I know at least one prominent transgender man who is an activist who hasn't changed his name legally or changed his gender markers. Nor does he want to. So should we not include these topics because some transpeople who consider themselves fully transitioned may not do them?NickGorton 08:47, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
Tranisitioning can also be in the spiritual sense of change and as such is not actually a change of sex. DaveM
Oppose merge, as per above comments. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 17:48, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Merge proposal

  • This is such a short article, and someone recently created a new article called Transgender transition, which needs a lot of work right now, but it is essentially on the same topic as this one. I think the articles should be merged in to one, which I would like to title Gender transition. But I am open to discussion as to the title of the article following the merger. Andrea Parton 02:30, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
A merge would be useful; I think that the name should remain along the lines of 'Transitioning (transgender)'. WP:NAME suggests using the gerund of a verb where possible (transitioning is the verb, as I understand it). Transition as it's used in the transgender sense is probably still a verb. If we went for 'Gender transitioning' I think that might be clearer as 'Transitioning (gender)'. I'm not sure what the naming policy for the brackets is - it seems to crop up a bit in transgender studies, though (e.g. Hormone replacement therapy (trans), Access to amenities (trans))
The two articles are addressing exactly the same thing - I think the other article is not named as accurately as this one. We should try to get feedback as to why it was made seperately - couldn't find this article, perhaps? do we need to link it more in the wiki?
Cheers, Lwollert 09:32, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Addendum: Perhaps the (trans) tag is less useful if we want to include gender transition for intersexed people?? Lwollert 10:09, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Agree with above statements. Transitioning seems to be the phrase currently in use and I wonder if Transgender transition was created to refer to the same thing as a component of this article. in any case having two articles is more confusing. suggest redirect that article here and merge articles. Benjiboi 21:49, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
  • I agree with the merger, and prefer Gender transition as a title (and note that that is already a redir to Transitioning (transgender)). This allows the article to cover intersex, plus all variants of trangender. I do think that transition in this context is a verb, and sounds more encyclopedic (to me at least) than transitioning. --AliceJMarkham 02:51, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
As I think more on it I do prefer the main article titled "Gender transition" with the various previous titles weaved into the lede to explain the terms used. Benjiboi 03:46, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] References

Currently the article doesn't contain a single reference, which for such an important topic is pretty bad. I'm afraid I don't really know anything about the topic (hence me looking it up!) so can't really afford the time to find stuff myself (I'll stick to the bits I usualy edit as I do know about them!). If someone could improve the situation that would be great. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 16:15, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Not only is it unreferenced, it reads like original research. Without proper sourcing and better writing, this reads like an advice collumn in The Advocate or something, not an encyclopedic entry. Beeblbrox (talk) 04:57, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
  • The more I re-read this article, the more I question it's value and accuracy. Anyone who has ever thought about being transgender up to post-op transexuals fall under this description of "transitioning". I don't see how this article is any more than a glossary of terms related to gender identity, as opposed to an encyclopedic article on one particular aspect of gender identity. Beeblbrox (talk) 15:28, 10 May 2008 (UTC)