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[edit] Merge debate
It seems that much of the information on this page is duplicated on the Transformers series page -- so much so that they appear to be almost the same article. Perhaps we should either merge the two (along with perhaps the Transformers Comic page) or differentiate more between them. For instance, the Transformers Universe page seems to be overly focused on the Television Series relative to the comic storyline.
Perhaps the Marvel Comics relative to the Marvel Comics Universe page is a more helpful guide to give a distinction?
- User:Anon 2006 Jan 9 16:22 (UTC)
Most of the stuff here could be done elsewhere, and is of little to no use here. There is a legitimate need for a "Transformers: Universe" entry, either discussing the specific toy line (consisting of repaints of other lines) or the "Transformers: Universe" comics done by 3H. (With a probably need for disambiguation for the "Transformers Universe" (note the lack of a colon) done by Marvel comics.
But most of this should be deleted.
- User:G.B. Blackrock 2006 Jan 25 10:30 (PST)
In what entry or entries elsewhere would you propose to file it? I agree, it's rather a mess ('Generation One' didn't end in 1992, for instance -- the toyline is still in production in Japan) and I've just added a bit of stuff about IDW as the entries only went up to Dreamwave folding.
Renaming this entry something along the lines of 'Transformers mythos' would avoid conflict with the Transformers Universe profile series published in the 80s, plus the modern Universe comics and toyline. It might also more accurately reflect the tangle of timelines and continuities in fiction produced under the Transformers brand.
Denyer 05:39, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Well, although the G1 toyline is indeed being produced in Japan today, these are reissues. To say that the line ended in 1992 is more or less accurate, give or take a year or two depending on what criteria you use. But no one suggests the G1 line of today (some call them "neo-G1) has been in continuous production since their introduction. They've been brought back.
As to the question of where most of this article should go, it's enough of a mess that parts would go in different places. The most of it is already repeated (largely) in the "Transformers (toys)" article. The fact that this article attempts to talk about the "continuities" while that article is supposed to be about the toys, per se, doesn't change this article's redundancy. Other parts would go well in the "comics" TF article.
Or, we could go with the original discussion and just merge this with the "Transformers series" article.
- User:G.B. Blackrock 2006 Feb 8 11:15 (PST)
Agreed, it's a revival, but the tendency to date chronologically -- in addition to being rather inaccurate -- also seems to be responsible for a lot of squabbling amongst Transformers fans. Attitudes such as the past being a closed book, etc. when original series material and characters have been under a lot of development recently with new product from Takara, plus several years of comics from Dreamwave and IDW. The series names are, after all, trademarks and brand labels -- to a large extent the parent company directs use and that's a more neutral way of framing things than fan politics. Even if it leads to mention of things such as Animorphs. Heh.
What's the procedure for a merge? You seem to know what you're doing, whereas I've only just about gotten to grips with wiki syntax.
Denyer 18:19, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Why is there more information on the Transformers universe than there is on Isaac Newton? This is a very interesting encyclopedia. -VOMGivesUp
I agree that it should be merged. 70.111.251.203 23:21, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
The Transformers universe is so huge due to the amounts of writers making alternate timelines etc. Maybe we should have our own portal.
- I'm surprised no one has started a transformers wikiproject!--D-Boy 08:25, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] IDW Timeline
A safe place for this: the IDW timeline moves like this
- 6.2 million "meta-Cycles" ago - The first Ark was launched from Cybertron and mysteriously lost.
- 600,000 "meta-cycles" ago - Shockwave discovers Cybertron is dying and begins his "Regenesis" plan, seeding planets including Earth with the makings of Energon.
- End of the Ice Age ~12,000 years ago - Shockwave Spotlight. He comes to Earth to stabalize his new energon brew, is jumped by the Dinobots and all are burried there. Megatron assigns Bludgeon to look into his files.
- Unknown - Thunderwing discovers Cybertron is dying and invents Pretender process, goes bonkers, destroys the world. (This must happen after the above, since Megatron and Bludgeon are still stationed on Cybertron when their above exchange occurs).
- 700 "stellar-cycles" ago - Cybertron became completely energy-dead After Thunderwing's rampage.
- Unknown - Bludgeon discovers Ultra Energon in Shockwave's notes, digs up Thunderwing's courpse and gets busy with it.
- Unknown - Starscream's unit arrives on Earth, eventually discovers Shockwave's ultra-energon/Ore 13 and goes rogue.
- 2 "megacycles" ago - Prowl and co. arrive on Earth. (Ratchet says this like it's a long time, "years" maybe, but then in #6 the Decepticons use "mega-cycle" with a hyphen to mean a MUCH shorter length of time, like an "hour." So *shrug*.)
- 2006 AD - Infiltration 1-2
- Infiltration 3/ Stormbringer 1 - In #3 Ironhide sends Prime a message he recieves in Stormbringer #1 -
- Stormbringer 2/Infiltration 4
- Stormbringer 3/end of Infl. #4 begining of #5 - occur simultaniously as we see both sides of Megs conversation between the two.
- Infiltration 5/ Stormbringer 4 - After Thunderwing's defeat Jetfire connects Bludgeon's work with files about Earth and So Prime decides to follow up there and sets course for Earth.
- Nightbeat Spotlight - Prime contacts Nightbeat on his way to Earth to join him there.
- Inflitration 6 - Prime arrives on Earth.
- Escalation
Wiki-newbie 16:03, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Spin-offs
This topic is kind of a complicated one. In truth, "G.I. Joe vs. The Transformers" and "Evolutions" (and quite probably the live-action film, but we'll know better when it's actually OUT) should all fall under the Generation 1 heading - they're just alternate takes on the G1 setting and characters, in the same manner as the Sunbow cartoon, Marvel, Dreamwave and IDW comics are all alternate to each other. They belong to the same "continuity family," to borrow a term from the Transformers wiki. - 217.42.30.167 19:03, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
No they're not. Otherwise everything would fall under "G1", given it's all Transformers. The film is just as based on G1 as Armada is. Wiki-newbie 16:21, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- Okay, maybe not the movie, but... Evolutions and G.I. Joe are absolutely variants of the G1 universe. They're just alternate versions of the G1 characters in new settings - not entirely different characters who happen to have the same names. You just have to look at the series, and the way the characters represented, both visually and in terms of personality. - Chris McFeely 22:10, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Move suggestion
For some reason back in the earlier days of Wikipedia, people saw fit to write an article on the comics, the cartoons, the toys, and the films, as well as an oddity on continuity. However, no one wrote an article about Transformers' place in the world. I suggest moving this page to Transformers (Hasbro) so this article can juggle a lot more on being about the whole franchise with the older pages serving as daughter articles. Ultimately we can make a single article all the more comprehensive and become FA.
- Support as nominator. WikiNew 19:54, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Discussion of video games?
Would it be a good idea to discuss fictional universes of video games? Alientraveller 11:25, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Broken grammar
"The Transformers began with the 1970s Japanese toy lines Microman and Diaclone. The former utilized varying humanoid-type figures while the middle presented robots able to transform into vehicular modes, with the latter robots mimicking everyday electronic items or replica weapons." doesn't scan right. How can you have the "former", "middle", and "latter" when talking about two things? --Randal L. Schwartz 04:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
- Speaking of: While the original Microman line started in 1973, the successor New Microman and its sub-line MicroChange, as well as the spin-off Diaclone, both started in the early 1980s. People often get confused by the "1973" copyright stampt on toys line Megatron, but that's due to some weird differences in Japanee copyright law. The date merely signifies when the original line started. The pre-TF version of Megatron didn't come out until 1982.--87.164.81.148 11:05, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Redundant Links
Seibertron.com and TFArchive.com do not offer unique content and are redundant with TFormers.com being more all-inclusive than the two former sites. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.177.77.187 (talk) 14:29, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
- Seibertron is the only website recognized by USA Today, and TFW2005 is on the film's DVD. Alientraveller (talk) 18:18, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Thanks
Thank Primus this was moved from Transformers universes to Transformers (fiction). The previous name was in-universe, this is out-of-universe. I was fearing there were overlapping articles with partly duplicated content, but I am relieved it is not so. This has to be kept separate from Transformers (toyline) though, because even from an out-of-universe perspective, the physical toys and the fiction providing a backstory to them are separate, which can be easily proven by the G1 backstory having outlived the original toyline by over a decade. JIP | Talk 21:44, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
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