Talk:Trajan's Dacian Wars

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Contents 1 Troops 2 Convoluted Speech 3 Need an reorganization of series of articles 4 Naming the conflict 5 Some citations

[edit] Troops

The number of troops for the Dacians and Romans was put to more realistic numbers, acording to ancient sources. User:Macedon19

[edit] Convoluted Speech

Can we change the line which explains how Trajan was a "true and honourable" emperor? It sounds a little moralistic and anachronistic to me.

[edit] Need an reorganization of series of articles

cross-posted of To-do dropped  here 8 Nov 2007 and from here

Dacian Wars 

re: Roman conquest of Dacia has a number of articles that are repetitive and need reorganized. Moreover, appear orphaned with stubs remaining unpolished and unfinished. (I just stumbled in there!)

• Naming of articles like First and Second Dacian Wars is non-sensical in light of origin in the actual first war before Trajan, and redundant to the Dacian Wars article itself. Some standard needs be applied and materials moved, as needed.
• There are three separate battles of Tapae (near the village of Bucova, Banat in Romania) with two separate peace treaties with two Roman Emperors.

• Strongly suggest renaming First and Second as second and third respectively, leaving first for the 87 AD-88 AD now as the article "First Battle of Tapae" (which covers the first two (Battles of Tapae) despite the title!).

• Further, I surmise that "Tapae" itself was an outlying bastion as my recent wording in Dacian Wars says, but that needs confirmed, and with three Battles there, some stub of an article ought to be created for the place.
• If First Battle of Tapae is accepted as the first war, then that needs renamed and fleshed out, with division into the respective battles. Its currently very sparse, and the whole is reliant on only a single web source.
• I'll be glad to pitch in a bit, but the naming issues (and ignorance of the standards for such names) suggests I yell for help before acting too WP:BOLD. Unfortunately, I'm also hip deep in other projects, so... Help! (Can someone drop me a link to where this discussion goes after this to-do list post! Thanks) // FrankB 20:07, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Naming the conflict

At the request of fabartus, from the Oxford Classical Dictionary:

• "Decebalus": Decebalus, king of Dacia... In 88, Domitian...concluded a generous peace by which Decebalus was established as a king friendly to Rome. Trajan...invaded Dacia (101-2) and imposed a peace settlement...In 105 Trajan went to war again, apparently in response to Decebalus' infractions of the treaty.
• "Dacia": was situated in the loop of the lower Danube, consisting mainly of the plateau of Transylvania, but extending in a wider sense eastwards to the Sereth and north to the Vistula. ... Conquest of Dacia was effected by Trajan in the First and Second Dacian Wars (101-2, 105-6). (emph mine)

More to come. Her Pegship (tis herself) 22:35, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Some citations

From The Provinces of the Roman Empire: The European Provinces, by Theodor Mommsen, c1968, University of Chicago Press, LCCN 68-16708: the author refers to the conflict from c.85-90 BC as the "Dacian war of Domitian", and the later war, from 101-2, as the "Dacian war of Trajan", then the 105-6 war as the "second Dacian war" (footnotes, p. 231-235). Admittedly this tome is 40 years old, and nomenclature may have changed. But it's a start. Her Pegship (tis herself) 23:41, 13 November 2007 (UTC)