Talk:Trafalgar Square

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[edit] Move

WTF? Is there a rational reason for this move? Tannin

Seconded - you got here before me. Does anyone know of any other Trafalgar Square that's likely to merit an article? Deb 14:34 May 4, 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Edith Cavell

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To the north of the square just where St Martin's joins Charing + road, there's a statue of a woman, 1930s style -- can someone find out who it is and who she was? -- Tarquin 15:44 May 4, 2003 (UTC)

this one? --rbrwr

Yes! Wow. that was fast! Let's have an article on Edith Cavell, I've been wondering who she was every time I pass that statue -- Tarquin 17:01 May 4, 2003 (UTC)

Why didn't you look her up on wikipedia??? Deb 09:55 May 5, 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Pics

The square with clouds pic epitomizes the square best IMHO, it should be the one at the top. Stan 15:08, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Done! (and the leans straightened) - Adrian Pingstone 21:05, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I was thinking top of the whole article actually - the panorama is amusing, but to me panoramas are more for extended study in conjunction with detailed text; they don't have the "grok at a glance" character that one wants from the first picture in an article. Stan 05:32, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Agreed, Stan. The moves have been done - Adrian Pingstone 14:45, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I disagree, the photo I took which is at the top, is more of sky and the skyline than giving an idea of what the square looks like. Although the panorama is not perfect, it gives the best impression of what the square is like to someone who's never been there. What we really need is a shot from the top of St. Martin's of the National Gallery. ed g2s • talk 14:53, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Pigeons

O/T: There are now relatively few birds in the Square, enabling it to be used for festivals, and hired out to film companies, in a way that was not feasible in the 1990s.

Huh? I thought it was the pigeons that made it a picturesque movie location. You want a token shot of a Londoner trudging through pigeons, you go to Trafalgar. Right? I suppose now they have to bring their own pigeons; how grand. - Keith D. Tyler [AMA] June 28, 2005 20:55 (UTC)

It would be cool to at least have a link of one of those 3d panorama things you can do in quick time to look all around.

[edit] WP:FAC?

Surely to goodness we can get this up to featured article standard relatively quickly? -- ALoan (Talk) 14:11, 15 September 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Spring Gardens

The article on the Metropolitan Board of Works states that it was based in Spring Gardens, near Trafalgar Square: what became of the street?

Jackiespeel 18:04, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Street is still there, near Admiralty Arch. Probably too small for most maps. Paulbrock 03:45, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Golden Cross House

Could mention of this be made, as it is just off Charing Cross: the Golden Cross, Charing Cross was one of the major Coaching inns of London.

Jackiespeel 18:06, 15 December 2005 (UTC) The Britanic Lions deserve a place here. This "compatible 3D" image is far easier to see without the required glassess than regular 3d technique. Please let it stay for a while, as children love 3D, and tend to have the glasses to see the effect.3dnatureguy 05:33, 11 January 2006 (UTC)Would this smaller lion picture be allowed to stay.My kids loved those lions more than anything else in the square. The direct observation about young people sitting with the lions is left out.Nativeborncal 06:05, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] French has appeared in the article

I have removed this chunk of French language from the article. Do with it as you wish!

==Le overview==
La place se compose d'une grande zone centrale entourée par des chaussées de trois côtés, et des escaliers menant au National de l'autre. Les routes qui croisent le carré font partie de l'occupé route A4, et avant 2003, la place ont été entourées par un système de circulation unidirectionnelle de tous les côtés. Passage souterrain l'es attachée à station de métro en travers de Charing permettent toujours à des piétons d'éviter le trafic. Les travaux récents ont réduit la largeur des routes et ont fermé le côté nordique de la place pour trafiquer. La colonne de Nelson est au centre de la place, entouré par des fontaines conçues près Lutyens en 1939 et quatre bronze en bronze lion s énorme sculpted près Sir Edwin Landseer d'Edwin ; on dit que le métal utilisé est réutilisé du canon de la flotte française. La colonne est complétée par a statue de Lord Nelson, amiral qui a commandé la flotte britannique chez Trafalgar. Du côté du nord de la place est National et à son est des Martin-dans-le-Champs de rue l'église. La place se touche The de mail (Londres) par l'intermédiaire de voûte d'Amirauté au sud-ouest. Aux sud est Whitehall, à l'est Strand et Chambre de l'Afrique du Sud, au nord route en travers de Charing et du côté occidental est Chambre du Canada. Aux coins de la place sont quatre plinth s ; deux les nordiques ont été prévus pour être employés pour statue équestre s, et sont ainsi plus larges que les deux méridionaux. Trois d'entre eux prise statue s : George IV (nord-est du Royaume-Uni, 1840s), Henry Havelock (sud-est, 1861, près William Behnes), et monsieur Charles James Napier (sud-ouest, 1855). Maire de Londres Ken Livingstone a de façon controversée exprimé un désir de voir les deux généraux remplacés avec les statues que « Londoners ordinaire connaîtrait ». [1] dedans 1888 la statue du général Charles George Gordon a été érigée. Dans 1943 la statue a été enlevé et, dedans 1953, re-situé sur remblai de Victoria. La place est devenue un endroit social et politique symbolique énormément important pour des visiteurs et Londoners semblable, se développant au-dessus de son histoire de « esplanade peuple avec des figures des héros nationaux, dans le premier de politique d'endroit du du pays, » comme l'historien macis de Rodney a écrit. Son importance symbolique a été démontrée dedans 1940 quand Nazi des solides solubles des plans secrets développés pour transférer la colonne de Nelson Berlin à suivre German une invasion prévue, comme relié près Longmate normand dans le si la Grande-Bretagne avait le tombé (1972).

- Adrian Pingstone 13:30, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Well it looks like someone doing an in place translation by accident. The French block replaced the original Overview section, so I've reverted to an earlier version to correct that. From my rough knowledge of French, the translation looks plausible. Since the fr.wiki version of the article is quite basic, it would probably be worth sending a copy over there. -- Solipsist 15:55, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Centre of London

Are distances really measured from Charing Cross? I was told by a traffic Policeman at my school that distances to and from London were taken from Hyde Park Corner.136.250.232.88 08:46, 1 November 2006 (UTC) Robruss24 08:47, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] E.Landseer's Lions?

Hi... not even up to getting into this but... seems E. Landseer's sculptures of lions are also in the square, thought they (and he) might be considered significant enough for inclusion?

Just a suggestion... --JT 19:49, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Agreed I came here expecting to see information on thisOxyman 23:22, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Dating postcard of Trafalgar Square

I am trying to date a postcard of Trafalgar Square. It has a statue of a horseman in front of Nelson's Column with a roadway between the two. There is a light pole in front of the horseman with four lights on separate arms. The roads are gravel and there are horse drawn buses. Is it possible to find the date when the roads were sealed? I would be grateful for any information regarding the date of my postcard. Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.246.249.172 (talk) 13:51, 6 December 2006 (UTC). Sorry I forgot to sign. 60.246.248.86Faye (Melbourne,Australia)

[edit] VE Day

I've removed the statement "A diary extract told how a father took his three children and wife to Trafalgar Square, and they all held on to a piece of washing line so they didn't get lost in the massive crowd." as I can find an online reference for it - can anyone help so it can be reincluded? Paulbrock 16:40, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lions with dogs' feet

"The lion's feet are modeled after dog feet as Sir Edwin had never actually seen a lion". I've removed this statement from the main page, as I've found conflicting references, that mention Edwin having access to dead Lions from the zoo. Some refs do mention dogs' feet but they may well have got this from here... Paulbrock 17:37, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Review

This article seems to meet the criteria for Good Article and I will review it formally, but I have a suggestion: there seem to be a lot of images for an article this size (see WP:MOS#Images. Consider either a queue (see WP:IUP#Image policy) or a gallery (see WP:PIC#Photo gallery). Also, consider putting images like the fourth plinth photo next to that section. These are only suggestions, but I think they comport with guidelines and will help this article be GA. Argos'Dad 01:10, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Queued Images

I've moved these from the main article, please return them as appropriate when the amount of text justifies their inclusion. Paulbrock 19:36, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Canada House, in the west.

Fountain detail.

Trafalgar Square and Canada House.

Trafalgar Square at night.

[edit] Successful good article nomination

I am glad to say that this article which was nominated for good article status has succeeded. This is how the article, as of June 21, 2007, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: prose is good, clear and concise
2. Factually accurate?: article is well-referenced and accurate
3. Broad in coverage?: the topic ios completely covered
4. Neutral point of view?: no issues of POV
5. Article stability? article is not subject to revert wars
6. Images?: all are free or appropriately tagged and used

If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to a GA review. Thank you to all of the editors who worked hard to bring it to this status. — Argos'Dad 21:03, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Anti War Picture

One of the users added a picture of a rally in the Square, and the caption given is "Anti War Rally". Upon close examination, one of the signs there reads "Free Palestine Victory to the Intifada". Without discussing the political merits of these statements, this is clearly not an Anti-War Rally. These demonstrators are not calling upon their government to stop fighting in some foreign war. Intifada means armed revolt or resistance. They are rather calling upon people or governments in the Middle East to gather arms and wage a war against Israel, to violently achieve their political goals. Again, I am not contesting the political message of this rally - just that it is not Anti War. Pro War or Anti Israel would be a more appropriate caption. --PowerToKnow 17:52, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Other signs read "stop this bloody war" and Socialist Workers' Party. I suspect that the demonstration in question was indeed an anti-war one, but attracted other protesters with their own agendas. I have changed the caption, at any rate, since you're right about the cognitive dissonance of the old one. Doops | talk 21:36, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Statuesque

Who designed the Nelson statue? (I've heard it was E.H. Baily.) Worth a mention? Trekphiler 17:50, 18 October 2007 (UTC)