Talk:Toyota Land Cruiser

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Can someone please post when there will be a model change (with significant body changes) in Toyota Prado ? Is it 2008?

LM 68.161.72.105 07:52, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

This article needs the history section NPOVd, tidied up, Wikified etc. I will get to it sometime but no promises.--Nick-in-South-Africa 18:11, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Agreed. One of the very POV bits I came across is this
"Displacing 4.7 DOHC produces 173 kW and an awsome 434 Nm on the flywheel. Independent front suspension (IFS) appears for the first time in the big Cruiser (first appearing in the 90 Series/ Prado back in 96) causing complete consternation amongst purists - "we will never forgive Toyota for going independent at the front with the mighty 4.2 turbo-diesel" - Australian 4WD Monthly. Indeed UK, US and many other markets sadly only get IFS versions of the 100 series - and do to this day. These IFS 100 Series were initially available with the 4.7 V8 and laterly the truly amazing 1 HD-FTE 4.2 litre 6 cylinder 24 valve 151 kW - 430 Nm turbo diesel."
While the first part makes it clear it's causing complete consternation amongst purists which I suppose is NPOV, the later part says "... other markets sadly only get IFS versions." I've removed the sadly part since that's clearly a POV, a lot of people would not care and heck some people might even say it's good/happily!60.234.141.76 17:10, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] References

I just ran across this at the Times. It's probably registration-required, but it's probably also worth it, too. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/14/automobiles/14CARS.html?8dt&oref=login --Milkmandan 05:56, 2005 Feb 15 (UTC)

Can you give us an idea what was in the article please? Login links are not particularly useful in Wikipedia, even in the talk pages --Spiggot 20:34, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FJ Cruiser

Early 2005 - Toyota exhibits the "FJ Cruiser" as a 2007 model to debut in 2006. It features bodywork reminiscent of the classic FJ40 but is based on a pickup frame and has a modern V6 engine. - This is based on old information, the FJ Cruiser is not based on the Tacoma frame as earlier thought, but actually based on the Prado/4Runner boxed frame for better stiffness over the Tacoma's C frame. I'm updating this with a link to the Toyota FJ Cruiser site. -- Lost Cosmonaut 22:50, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Going to rework this a little bit more considering we finally have a decent FJ Cruiser wikipedia article now. Lost Cosmonaut 19:01, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hm...

Is it just me or does this article seem to be written from an Australian perspective? Most of the magazines and awards mentioned here are from either Australian or South African magazines, and I had to edit "petrol" and "saloon" back to "gasoline" and "sedan", since the former terms are not used in Japan. --ApolloBoy 05:59, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Petrol and saloon are American English terms, and should be left to be in line with the original article. Do not change them just because they don't happen to be the words that you as an Australian use.I would however advocate scrubbing the reference to Prado in the first paragraph, as it is a model designation, and not necessarily world-wide. The article otherwise is about LandCruisers in general. --Spiggot 16:06, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Upon rereading this article I propose to separate the Prado paragraph and references at the top into a new article, and have this page as a LandCruiser page in general, as it covers too many models. The history is particularly valuable, and not market-specific as far as I can see. I'll be happy to do the work, when I find the time. I'll try and correct any POV in the process. --Spiggot 20:32, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
"Petrol" and "saloon" aren't used in Japan, though. --ApolloBoy 05:02, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Nor are "Gasoline" or "Sedan", but I don't know the Japanese words for them anyway, cause they not made in Japan. This is irrelevant in any case. This is an American Encyclopedia, and policy is that the AUTHOR or the article decides whether to use American words. Articles shouldn't be revised just because they conform to a standard other than your own.--Spiggot 17:29, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
'Petrol' and 'Saloon' are most certainly NOT American English terms. We use 'gasoline', never petrol. 'Saloon' is very uncommon in American usage, the only time I can ever recall it in American use is in specialty European car magazines, like the BMW club magazine Roundel. The general populace is much more accustomed to the term 'sedan', and would think of an Old West tavern rather than a car if you said 'saloon' to them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 214.13.209.200 (talk) 01:41, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Readers could probably use a little help with "saloon," as it has a decidedly different meaning

I never hear people in America saying "petrol" and "saloon", everbody that I know says gasoline and sedan. I also think that petrol and saloon are British English, not American English

[edit] about a proposed edit to this article regarding Toyota Land Cruiser as well as other Toyota SUV's and trucks

I have some information regarding Toyota SUVs and trucks built in USA and maybe Indonesia (possibly Thailand as well but at this time I do not think so). I posted it as an update on the Toyota Land Cruiser article. I probably rushed to fast and I received feedback from some users regarding this. I probably should have looked for solid references (as was advised in the feedback). I do believe that at least some of the main points in my edit are fact and I do admit that some of it contains future speculation as well.

I invite all interested users to debate my proposed edit on these discussion pages to determine what parts of my edit (if any) should be posted on the official article. The information that is in my proposed post are things that potential customers of these products deserve to know.

Here is a draft of my proposed edit (that was posted on the Land Cruiser article as well as some other articles relating to Toyota SUVs and Trucks and then removed pending online debate):

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Toyota SUV’s and trucks (built in USA and Indonesia as well) including the Land Cruiser and 4Runner as well as others are used by Osama Bin Laden’s illegal Al Qaeda terrorist army and their Taliban partners. In the United States this is becoming controversial because Americans who buy these vehicles can be seen as extremely unpatriotic and honoring the enemy. As a result, these products might get vandalized in many different ways including spray paint, scratching, damaging lights, windows, etc. This will probably cause insurance premiums to increase in significant ways making these vehicles much more expensive to own and drive. Passions will most likely increase later in 2006 as the 5th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks approaches. There are also 2 movies about 9/11 that are planned for release in theaters in 2006. After this time the possibility of these vehicles being vandalized might increase (especially ones built after the 2006 model year) as their American owners might be viewed as being extremely unpatriotic and honoring the enemy of America and showing absolutely no respect for America. If this results in big insurance rate increases, the owners of these vehicles will be spending a lot more money to own and drive them.

(End of proposed draft edit)

As mentioned in this article I have information regarding these vehicles being used by Al-Qaeda and the Taliban on the battlefield in the same way that the Jeep was used by America and its allies against Nazi Germany in World War 2. I have watched several news reports on news networks such as CNN, BBC, CBS, NBC, as well as others regarding Al-Qaeda and I have spotted these vehicles on these news reports many times (especially as the war on terror was first starting) including the Toyota Land Cruiser. Land Cruisers are easy to recognize. And I also saw what appear to be Toyota markings on many of these vehicles. I believe that this is something that people (especially potential customers for these vehicles) should know. I invite all interested users to join this debate and share any information you all might have.

What are you talking about? If you read this article, it says that the Land Cruiser is usually the "vehicle of choice" for terrorism. Besides, your proposed edit sounds good. Sorry, But it's the fact--ApolloBoy 00:40, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

A considered response to your proposal:

You are proposing to use hearsay and personal observation (original research, by definition) to update an article in a potentially inflammatory way by creating a link to an unrelated event. Major problems:

  1. Toyota vehicles (and Nissan, and others) are certainly used by terrorist orginisations, largely due to the availability in the countries concerned (I might add that many of these vehicles may be stolen, but that would be speculation and hearsay, so you can ignore that suggestion). Many Al-Qaeda personnel use these vehicles as well.
  2. You have "watched several news reports", and you have "spotted" these vehicles. This is personal observation, and therefore original research. You have also noticed what "what appear to be Toyota markings on many of these vehicles" (my emphasis), not very encyclopedic.
  3. You believe that "these products might get vandalized", and that "This will probably cause insurance premiums to increase in significant ways making these vehicles much more expensive to own and drive". This is complete fabriction. There is no factual basis for the first (though your comments may in fact help this become a self-fulfilling prophecy), and the second is pure speculation.
  4. You link in an event (the release of two films) entirely unrelated to the topic of this article (a car) and then continue to speculate that "passions will most likely increase" and that "the possibility of these vehicles being vandalized might increase" (my emphasis).
  5. You then lead to an extremely inflammatory remark, that "American owners might be viewed as being extremely unpatriotic and honoring the enemy of America and showing absolutely no respect for America". That is to say that buying a American car, one that is noted specifically for its performance in harsh conditions, one that is used by legitimate organisations worldwide, one that the maker would certainly not have chosen to sell to terrorists, will make an American honour an enemy and have a total lack of respect for his country. See my comment about cotton pants.

Not one single part of your proposed modification has a place in a factual encyclopedic article.

--Spiggot 19:29, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Here here. Basically similar to my argument about adding this to the Toyota FJ Cruiser article. Lost Cosmonaut 03:53, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Some people have great ideas. What if all American patriots sell their Toyota SUV ? The cars in excess on the second-hand market will find their to third world countries were they could be buyed by anyone including terrorists. Ericd 03:23, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] That has no place in any encyclopedia article

I don't think that is of any quality at all and should not be added to any article. Anytime you use a word such as "might" and "probably" multiple times it is not good quality. Also, I work at a Toyota dealership (specifically the second largest Toyota specialty SUV center in the United States) and I have not heard a word about this supposed vandalism or possibility of it.TheOssman 03:58, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. What a wack suggested edit, and over-the-top POV. Are we supposed to boycott everything because terrorists buy it? What if terrorists appreciate quality? They use American-made laptops (with Microsoft software), fly commercially on Boeing airliners, use Yahoo and Google email accounts, maybe even eat USAID-subsidized flour and powdered milk. Should the Army drop the Colt M-16 rifle because it is used by criminals?

I am an American living in Yemen. Land Cruisers and other Toyotas dominate the market here because they don't break. They survive bad drivers, bad fuel, poor maintenance, terrible roads, and endless dust. BTW, Toyota produces and sells a lot of cars in the USA(which they made in USA), and will overtake GM as the leading auto manufacturer in the world in another couple of years. What boycott? --RandallC 14:01, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Poor Quality...

This article seems to be opinion driven rather than based on factual citation.

"The Land Cruiser is widely used around the world in areas which require durability, reliability and off road performance. The Land Cruiser along with the Hilux pickup truck is symbolic of Toyota's legendary toughness and both trucks are used around the world in grueling terrains and climates with poor roads for many many years before they are no longer usable." - Sounds more like a poorly iterated advertisement for the brand than an encyclopedia article.

It talks of the 'Prado' as being a version of a landcruiser (which it is by branding only; "Landcruiser Prado"), when technically it is an entirely different vehicle. Needs a drastic clean up...

So why not clean it up? I just took a stab at it myself.
Also, please sign your posts. All you have to do is add ~~~~ at the end. -- Rob C (Alarob) 01:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Not us

Hey i thought this article have a good quality, cause person who create this article, give the fact than fiction, i see that many article have a fiction, especially about us, Japanese, hey man, come on! I know that USA is no. 1 country in the world, and you all is American,i know what you trying to do, you try to think about the big country in same level with your country, but believe me, it's not my country! American! You not living in Japan! So You don't know anythin' about my country!!!!!!! If you see my country with GDP per capita, look United Arab emirates, they have a GDP higher than us(U$ 50.000 per capita, and we have U$ 30.000 per capita), perhaps U$30.000 is high income in asia, but you must see our cost of living!!!!!!! so if we calculate our GDP with oir standard, we only get U$2800 a year, you know how much money you must pay if you buy fried rice? U$ 125!!!!!!!!!!!!!! about our coorporation or company? you can see how many American in our company? 95% employee is American, 25% is Director or chief, so one more time i told you, if you wanna see your real partner don't see us, but look France, UK or Russia, cause we just your follower! and you always over acting when you say "Japanese!", believe me, we love Chicago Bulls, we love New York Yankees, and we love KFC and McDonalds, even almost Japanese person around Japan have Joe Di Maggio poster in our room, also US army always walking in our neighboor every night and day, so i guess we only US new colony! if you can't believed come to Japan and see the real, not only in Harajuku, but come to Kyoto, Osaka and Hiroshima, see that we don't have enough money to buy a car and we used bike(not motor bike) every day, i think my explain is enough, i'm sorry if my grammar not good, cause in japan we can't speak English very well(look William Hung as example), Thanx for your attention....... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 61.247.42.101 (talk) 05:32, 10 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Tommy Doom

some Genius put Tommy Doom as the actual person! Great!. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by an unidentified user.

Fixed. user at IP address 61.247.42.101 is Brilliant -- Rob C (Alarob) 01:56, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This article needs fixing

This article, since it is the US article, should have more info on the actual 2007 Toyota Land Cruiser that an actual person can go down and buy. All the stuff on the current Land Cruiser is a blurb and it needs more info about the US-spec version.Something14 19:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Two points. 1. This is US article and it is the English article and not objective. 2. This encyclopedia article is probably the place for up-to-date product information. There are other websites that already do that, including the manufacturer's site and consumer sites. This is the fact. And I like it, a sales brochure advertising. -- Rob C (Alarob) 15:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Can everyone tell me about what is the VX or GX.


[edit] Land Cruiser "Prado"

Shouldn't the Prado be merged with the Lexus GX article?


[edit] Text and infoboxes don't match

Most generation numbers second, third, forth... and some quoted years do not match from text to the infoboxes. I would change it but I don't know which is correct. Carlwev 17:52, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Where is the 2000 model? - Cleanup

It seems someone "cleaned up" by removing all information about the 2000-2007 models. If anyone doesn't mind, I'm going to put it back (as the article jumps generations because of it). Any objections? -- TheSlyFox 09:33, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

The Seventh Generation is now back in the article, but the production dates are all mismatched and confusing. All the generation numbers had been switched on the infoboxes, so I fixed that. I'm not an expert on the subject, so I don't know how the production dates should be fixed, but I did the best I could with the information from the article.

That's my stab at a quick cleanup. :) -- TheSlyFox 10:03, 16 October 2007 (UTC)