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Contents 1 Tournament of Roses Redirect 2 Doo-Dah Parade 3 2006 4 2005 5 Rebuttal 6 I like the Page 7 Article name? 8 Splitting out the lists 9 Where are these huge floats put together, assembled and stored? 10 Band info 11 Video Question 12 Bands: Salvation Army 13 Volunteers

[edit] Tournament of Roses Redirect

Tournament of Roses links here. In fact, the Tournament had a number of different events in the early days besides the parade and the Rose Bowl. I'll try to look it up and do some work on it. RickK 00:02, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Further information: Tournament of Roses Parade#History -- user:zanimum

[edit] Doo-Dah Parade

There probably should be a brief mention of the Doo-Dah Parade as a parody of the Tournament of Roses Parade. Also some mention of TV coverage, and the very few times that it has been rained on. [[User:GK|gK ¿?]] 08:46, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

• Added to the see also, maybe someone can write a section on the parades effect on Southern California. --evrik ^(talk) 14:59, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2006

In years when the Rose Bowl football game is not scheduled on January 1st (like next year, 2006), does the parade still happen on January 1st ? - Bevo 22:36, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Yes. The parade is a New Year's Day tradition. Only when New Years is on a Sunday does the parade take place on January 2nd. PK9 00:02, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

In 2006 the football game was a National Championship game. In older days when the Championship game was held on the same day as the Rose Bowl game, the Championship game followed late at night. I am sure that the hype and television interests changed the format for the multitude of bowl games and allow the Championship game to have its own day.

The next time the Rose Bowl game is not a Championship game, expect that it will be held on New Years.

Mmanning 22:50, 27 January 2006 (UTC)Mmanning

[edit] 2005

It is important to understand that the most bittersweet year for the parade was 2005 because it was happening less than a week after the tsunami disaster in Southeast Asia, which brought so much loss and sorrow. The disaster was in people's minds during the parade. 04:15, 28 November 2005 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by SNIyer12 (talk • contribs)

[edit] Rebuttal

Claims that the Tournament of Roses Parade attracts one million spectators are absolutely false, and easily verifiable as false, using simple elementary school math. The route is 5.5 miles long, or 29,040 feet. If all of the spectators were standing shoulder-to-shoulder along both sides of the entire route (allowing two feet per spectator, it would take 29,040 people to form just one row along both sides of the street. To have one million specators would require 34 rows of people along both sides of the street. That is a physical impossibility. In fact, people are spread out along many areas of the route, with lawn chairs, coolers, etc., and along most of the route the sidewalks are only 12 feet wide. Meanwhile, the bleachers total approximately 100,000 seats. So, even in a good year it's clear that the parade attracts no more than 250,000 people. The Anderson School of Management at UCLA should be challenged by the media to present its data. (Peter Apanel; Pomona, CA)

But there are people who walk in and out (for instance, residents along the parade route, who may decide to watch a portion of the parade, and those with small children that may have to leave before the parade is over); and people on roofs, balconies, and inside offices and homes facing the parade route. Calwatch 03:22, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I like the Page

Good job to everyone who has taken part in creating and editing this page. Good read. I also like the idea of placing the distance of every city in the greater Los Angeles Area to Downtown L.A. Its easier for people like me to get a good idea of where the suburb cities are from the center of the metro. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.45.168.113 (talk • contribs) 10:21, 6 August 2006

[edit] Article name?

Should this article be at Rose Parade? I had never heard of a "tournament of roses parade," but everyone knows what the "rose parade" is. "Rose parade" beats "tournament of roses parade" 7 to 1 on google. We're supposed to be guided by usage, so I think this article should probably be moved. ^L_Wizard @ 19:45, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

• Oppose Tournament of Roses is the official name (and it's not the Rose Bowl Parade either). --evrik ^(talk) 14:51, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia normally titles things under the most common name, not the official name. Jonathunder 16:38, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

• Oppose -- As long as the appropriate redirects exist, I'd say the article belongs under the official name. -- Atlant 16:41, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

TV broadcasters quite clearly announce the name as "(Ordinal) Tournament of Roses parade" on the English language broadcast networks in the United States. As long as Rose Parade redirects to (or disambiguates to) Tournament of Roses Parade, that should be fine. A case can be made for the Grand Floral Parade of the Portland Rose Festival being called the "rose parade" locally. Currently "rose parade" Portland wins out over "rose parade" Pasadena 162,000 to 111,000 in Google! Group29 19:57, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Splitting out the lists

Does anyone want to split out the lists of the queens, the themes and the Presidents? --evrik ^(talk) 15:00, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Where are these huge floats put together, assembled and stored?

I was just watching the event and my uncle visiting from Spain asked if these floats were all put together in Pasadena right before the event or if parts were put together in their original cities and some of the chassis parts brought via train to the region. Also, what happens after the event with these huge floats? are parts re-used for future ones? go to a float junkyard? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.138.8.141 (talk) 17:48, 1 January 2007 (UTC).

Float construction begins shortly after the previous parade; designs are approved in February, and construction begins shortly after that -- all floats are largely complete by early December, with some finished as early as June. Aside from the 6 self-builts, they are built by one of (currently) 5 professional float building companies. Studio Concepts in Portland has built the NAMM float for the last few years and ships it by truck in pieces, but the other pros are located in or near Pasadena. Some characters get reused, along with any mechanical parts, any salvageable structural steel, and such other reusable items as flower vials. Some portions of a float may be kept as souvenirs or museum pieces. The rest gets either recycled (non-structural steel, greenery) or discarded (foam, cocooned surfaces). (Sorry, I can't source all of this -- I've been building floats for 6 years with a self-built, so this is from my experience and some TofR non-public documents. You can probably source some of it from Phoenix's web site.) 216.103.50.52 21:38, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Band info

Am I the only one that finds the 2008 section on bands to be self-promotional? According to the 26 September draft parade lineup, not only is Broughton not the first unit in the parade, it's not even the first band, which makes the "lead the parade" phrase seem questionable to me. Also, I'm not convinced these 3 are the most notable of the 22 bands/musical units in the parade. 216.103.50.52 21:46, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Video Question

Does anyone know where one can view the parade if one has missed it on tv? Thanks (Tal123 (talk) 20:45, 1 January 2008 (UTC))

• KTLA (channel 5) re-broadcasts the parade for the rest of the day on January 1. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.251.211.5 (talk) 02:40, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
• I don't have this channel. Anywhere else? (Tal123 (talk) 22:11, 3 January 2008 (UTC))

It's on KTLA's web site. 216.103.50.52 (talk) 03:02, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bands: Salvation Army

Bands that have a long standing arrangement to be in the parade include: ... The Salvation Army marching band

Which one? The Pasadena Corps Salvation Army band? Almost every large city Salvation Army corps has it's own band, and there are several large cities in California or other places which would travel to the parade.--WPaulB (talk) 16:43, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Volunteers

Tournment volunteer members do not "help decorate the floats". If they do, they are doing them on their own, but not as a membership duty. Ucla90024 (talk) 00:02, 12 June 2008 (UTC)