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Who wrote this steaming pile of crap?

With the replacement of a German house on the throne,
the stridently Protestant Yankee partisans became Tories.

The re-placement?? To focus only on the American side: John Adams of Massachusetts, 2nd President of the US, was a Yankee Congregationalist. He was very much of that Independent line of which another flower was that British brewer, Oliver Cromwell. Oliver himself, before his Parliamentary career, considered emigration to America. The King on the throne at the time was James Stuart.

The Independents suffered under all kings, but especially Stuarts: the whiff of Catholicism about that House always drove the Independents a bit insane.

This sentiment extended to the War of 1812 fever (see Hartford Convention),
with Yankee President John Adams supporting the UK and Southron President
Thomas Jefferson supporting the French Empire, a Reactionary (Catholic)
government in comparison to the establishment of a Lutheran family in Britain.

"Southron?" You've got a Confederate diehard (ha ha!) around here, somewhere; they're the only ones who use that term. Thomas Jefferson was hardly pro-Catholic, -Bourbon, -Hanover or -Stuart. He was a self-proclaimed son of the Enlightenment and hated kings, popes and Jesuits. Before 1787 in France, Jefferson supported France as a balance to Great Britain. By 1812, he was fervently pro-Revolutionary and thought Napoleon a necessary evil to the establishment of the new regime of Man. I am changing this.

Somercet 01:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

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Question about definition:

The Wikipedia article apparently defines "Tory" simply as "Conservative".

In the July 1953 Atlantic Monthly article "Can the Liberals Rally?",

http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/53jul/clark.htm

Author Joseph S. Clark, Jr. writes, "A liberal is not an intelligent Tory, one who gives little to save much. Neither Winston Churchill nor Senator Taft is a liberal."

To say "a liberal is not a conservative" is hardly enlightening (both in 1953 and now, I think). What nuance is Clark talking about here that I'm not catching?

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I wanted to describe how following the collapse of Brian Mulroney's coalition many Blue Tory's (especially in the West) moved to the Reform Party, and many Red Tory's have since aligned with the Liberal Party - but I'm not sure if those who moved to the BQ would be Blue or Red? They were (extreme) decentralists, which makes me think Blue, but many are very socially liberal, which makes me think Red. -- stewacide 23:20, 28 Oct 2003 (UTC)

"Tory's" This is confusing. Are you trying to make a plural with an apostrophe? Tories? Pollinator 23:24, 28 Oct 2003 (UTC)

You're right, my spelling sucks, but that doesn't answer my question. -- stewacide 02:01, 29 Oct 2003 (UTC)

The term "tory" in 17th century Irish history meant either as guerrilla fighter or a bandit, often both at the same time. The original tories fought the Cromwellians on behalf of Charles I and later King William of Orange on behalf of James I. My understanding is that Royalists and Jacobites in England were offensively tories by their opponents, to associate them with what we would now call terrorists. User:jdorney

I have also heard that the word, Tory, derives from Tory Island, off the coast of County Donegal, where raparees are alleged to have hidden; however, the etymology given here, and in particular the root tóir, seems much more credible. Go raibh maith agat.--PeadarMaguidhir 10:19, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

sorry, that should say, "offensively called tories etc" User:Jdorney

Is there any possibility it could have just stemmed from Conservatory?

That was my first impression, and that as time passed by, it became a noun of it's own. Any way to confirm it? kura 13:24, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Don't be silly folks. The etymology of the word is well established. Its 1688 and all that. Jdorney 18:53, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "coined in the 18th century"

During the Glorious Revolution of the 17th century, they were called "the faction to be known someday as Tories," I suppose? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.88.113.150 (talk) 18:40, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Me mum's name

is Tory —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.103.132.40 (talk) 07:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)