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[edit] Need a ALERT Template for May 1
...and one for May 4 onwards. The Weather Channel has reported a possible outbreak of servere weather, tornadoes to happen on these days onward. This will save some lives, mitigate damage, help people prepare. 205.240.144.214 (talk) 23:08, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
- Nothing online yet that I can see to cite, but TV coverage (KMBC in Kansas City) is reporting that six tornadoes were spawned by the storm system that passed across Kansas and Missouri tonight. Ubernostrum (talk) 07:49, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
===NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TULSA OK===
847 PM CDT THU MAY 1 2008
AT 843 PM CDT...WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR AND STORM SPOTTERS CONTINUED TO TRACK A LARGE AND EXTREMELY DANGEROUS TORNADO. THIS TORNADIC STORM WAS LOCATED 6 MILES EAST OF RALSTON...MOVING NORTHEAST AT 30 MPH. A LARGE TORNADO HAS BEEN CONFIRMED...TAKE COVER IMMEDIATELY!
SOME LOCATIONS NEAR THE PATH OF THIS STORM INCLUDE...SHIDLER AND PAWHUSKA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.7.251.247 (talk) 11:55, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
===NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SPRINGFIELD MO===
635 AM CDT FRI MAY 2 2008
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN SPRINGFIELD HAS ISSUED A
- TORNADO WARNING FOR...
EASTERN OZARK COUNTY IN SOUTHWEST MISSOURI... HOWELL COUNTY IN SOUTH CENTRAL MISSOURI... SOUTHERN TEXAS COUNTY IN SOUTH CENTRAL MISSOURI...
- UNTIL 715 AM CDT.
- AT 633 AM CDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED
TORNADIC STORMS ALONG A LINE EXTENDING FROM 8 MILES NORTHEAST OF HARTVILLE TO 8 MILES SOUTH OF CABOOL TO 12 MILES SOUTH OF GAINESVILLE...MOVING SOUTH AT 23 MPH.
- THESE TORNADIC STORMS WILL REMAIN OVER MAINLY RURAL AREAS OF
EASTERN OZARK...HOWELL AND SOUTHERN TEXAS COUNTIES...INCLUDING THE TOWNS OF DORA...TECUMSEH AND UDALL. ONE OF THESE SHORT LIVED TORNADOES LIKELY CAUSED SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE IN AVA SHORTLY AFTER 6 AM.
75.7.251.247 (talk) 11:49, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Kansas City derecho
Depending on the numbers that come in, an article may be warranted being a major city hit (the numbers don't warrant it yet). That creates an interesting issue if today warrants an article for a tornado outbreak... CrazyC83 (talk) 12:03, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
- WMCtv.com (from a report from KAIT) reported two fatalities in ARkansas west of Jonesboro, so I will start a userfy draft of the tornadoes of yesterday and those from today.--JForget 15:49, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
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- User:JForget/May 2008 Tornado outbreak is set up, you can add updates and other stuff needed. It is likely that with the three fatalities, an article will be required not to mention it is only midday on a moderate risk date with several weather possible tomorrow.--JForget 16:16, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
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- KAIT-TV in Jonesboro, Arkansas now reports six fatalities, so it's just a matter of time before this will be moved to mainspaceJForget 17:35, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Tornadoes CONFIRMED
As of the time displayed here, got two counties in Texas, four in Arkansas that have been hit by tornadoes. One of those hit near Carthage, Texas. All featured have been seen and been detected on radar. Watching it on the Weather Channel, NOAA radio. We do have a hell of a outbreak.205.240.144.214 (talk) 17:13, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
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- Can someone place this?! Info is from www.weather.com and www.noaa.gov 205.240.144.214 (talk) 17:15, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Alert Template
We need a Emergency Alert template in the article as well. I can't place one, since I may have to evacuate due to the ongoing tornado alert for my area. 205.240.144.214 (talk) 17:20, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Another Tornado outbreak
Hope I'm wrong on this. The Weather Channel, NOAA has indicated that this may happen. Need a Alert template on this matter. Affected areas: Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas, Missouri, states north of these to the Canadian border. Servere storms, hail, frequent lightning, even TORNADOES are expected on May 6 - 8 so far, given the fact that the last weather system has produced 50+ tornadoes, very servere weather. In the Texas and Louisiana area, storms will fire up this afternoon AND at night as a front moves through, a surface low and a upper level low moves through this area, causing immense instability in this area today and tonight. This system has already produced servere weather AND tornadoes, prompting Thunderstorm and Tornado Watches in the past. This will happen when solar heating adds to the instability. Can someone place a Warning template, appropriate templates? 205.240.146.169 (talk) 05:13, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Need Warning template
Got violent and servere storms near me. Need this! Thanx. 205.240.146.121 (talk) 02:08, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
- You can always do it yourself. -CWY2190(talk • contributions) 02:14, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Charlottesville Warning
Sometime between 8-9PM Charlottesville and Albemarle County got a tornado warning and the Charlottesville Pavillion was evacuated. The storm then weakened a bit and it ended at 9:15. This may have been the same storm to give a warning for Fredericksburg. A later storm briefly produced another tornado warning for Charlottesville.Stevv (talk) 11:19, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Outbreak Sequence?
If there was not one or two-day breaks between the Suffolk outbreak and the May 2 outbreak and that the most recent outbreak and then for potentially another coming up for the weekend this could easily be material for an outbreak sequence article from April 25 to this weekend's severe weather potential. Any thoughts?--JForget 13:42, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Article for May 6-9+?
Because there have been some large, damaging tornadoes in this time period, and coupled with a fatality in Greensboro, NC with still more severe weather expected to happen tomorrow, I believe that an article may be needed. Comments? Chukonu xbow (talk) 23:42, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
- Not sure, this may be borderline for an article, however see my comment on the section above. I think this should be part of a larger article that includes the early May outbreak and the potential significant outbreak this weekend.--JForget 23:50, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
- I'd agree. Right now I would say borderline no, but tomorrow looks like it certainly could change that. Gopher backer (talk) 02:09, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
- Basically, we could call this April-May 2008 Tornado Outbreak Sequence for that matter if we have another bad outbreak. That would be four big outbreaks in a short two-week period.--JForget 02:49, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
- I'd wait and see what the weekend brings - there's a wide area from the southern Plains to the SE Atlantic Coast that might be a potential area for severe weather developments during the next 49 hours. If there are any other significant developments over the weekend, then I'd say yes - there have been an abundance of significant tornadoes over the last several days, either in metropolitan locations, or in areas that have been hit repeatedly through the spring, and I think it is accumulating into a series of events that are deserving of something a bit more detailed.Davidals (talk) 03:15, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
- And apparently it's not over yet after that as there are D4 and D5 severe weather risk for the Deep South again. We may have to consider this too eventually.--JForget 14:55, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
- After reading what you guys have said, I think we should wait to see what the weekend brings, and if the weekend brings anything major like they say it will, then I agree that an outbreak sequence article may be needed. Chukonu xbow (talk) 15:07, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
- And apparently it's not over yet after that as there are D4 and D5 severe weather risk for the Deep South again. We may have to consider this too eventually.--JForget 14:55, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
- I'd wait and see what the weekend brings - there's a wide area from the southern Plains to the SE Atlantic Coast that might be a potential area for severe weather developments during the next 49 hours. If there are any other significant developments over the weekend, then I'd say yes - there have been an abundance of significant tornadoes over the last several days, either in metropolitan locations, or in areas that have been hit repeatedly through the spring, and I think it is accumulating into a series of events that are deserving of something a bit more detailed.Davidals (talk) 03:15, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
- Basically, we could call this April-May 2008 Tornado Outbreak Sequence for that matter if we have another bad outbreak. That would be four big outbreaks in a short two-week period.--JForget 02:49, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
- I'd agree. Right now I would say borderline no, but tomorrow looks like it certainly could change that. Gopher backer (talk) 02:09, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree regarding the outbreak sequence. What happened on May 7-9 does not warrant an article on its own, but if the weekend is bad, it should go into a new article with May 10-11 covering a five-day period. (What happened on May 1-2 IMO happened long enough ago to remain distinct since there were no confirmed tornadoes from May 3-6; just May 1-2 will need to be renamed). CrazyC83 (talk) 15:09, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
- Now getting underway in a hurry. A sandbox will be started shortly if current trends continue. CrazyC83 (talk) 22:44, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
- What would be the best name for May 2008 tornado outbreak? I'd go with May 1-2, 2008 tornado outbreak instead of "Early May". -CWY2190(talk • contributions) 22:55, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
- May 1-2 outbreak is the only thing that would work since the next one also falls in early May. CrazyC83 (talk) 22:55, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
- Sandbox about to be started at User:CrazyC83/May10-08outbreak. CrazyC83 (talk) 22:57, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
- May 1-2 outbreak is the only thing that would work since the next one also falls in early May. CrazyC83 (talk) 22:55, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
- What would be the best name for May 2008 tornado outbreak? I'd go with May 1-2, 2008 tornado outbreak instead of "Early May". -CWY2190(talk • contributions) 22:55, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
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- Did you me to add the May 7-8 tornadoes in that list because an article would likely including the Tupelo-Greensboro-OKC tornadoes.--JForget 23:14, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
- I haven't started that yet but they will need to be added in before it goes to an article (should it be warranted), at May 7-11, 2008 tornado outbreak sequence (or whatever else if it goes on further). Feel free to do it though. CrazyC83 (talk) 23:21, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
- I'm already starting to built it, when I'm done with it, I'll transfered it to your draft page.--JForget 23:24, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
- I haven't started that yet but they will need to be added in before it goes to an article (should it be warranted), at May 7-11, 2008 tornado outbreak sequence (or whatever else if it goes on further). Feel free to do it though. CrazyC83 (talk) 23:21, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
- Did you me to add the May 7-8 tornadoes in that list because an article would likely including the Tupelo-Greensboro-OKC tornadoes.--JForget 23:14, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
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- There's already 3 fatalities in Missouri, so I guess it is safe to say it now warrants an article .--JForget 01:03, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
- I agree it now does. It just needs an improved lede. CrazyC83 (talk) 01:10, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
- The pictures up on CNN look like EF4-5 damage.-RunningOnBrains 02:31, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
- Looks like it is transitioning into a derecho event - seems the straight-line damaging winds started at the Memphis Airport and there were possible wind gusts close to 100 mph based on the maps/tools used by WMC-TV. I'm done for tonight, but I won't be surprised to see widespread damaging wind in Tupelo, Huntsville and Birmingham tonight.--JForget 02:57, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
- The pictures up on CNN look like EF4-5 damage.-RunningOnBrains 02:31, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
- I agree it now does. It just needs an improved lede. CrazyC83 (talk) 01:10, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Nice job guys
JForget and CrazyC, you guys are ridiculous. Every time I go to update this page, it's already been updated!. Because of you two, Wikipedia is generally a few hours ahead of CNN.
On a related note, with 10 fatalities, today and tomorrow should definitely have an article. -RunningOnBrains 02:22, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
- Just a note, SPC is now showing 18 fatalities from tornadoes alone in the past 24 hours on the Storm Reports page. Rdfox 76 (talk) 04:57, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
- I see 19. I'm questioning whether the 10 fatalities and 3 fatalities are duplicate reports however, as they are in the same county at the same time. I revised the total downward, feel free to revert if you disagree.-RunningOnBrains 05:19, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
- I stand corrected. see http://www.ky3.com/. -RunningOnBrains 05:27, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
- I see 19. I'm questioning whether the 10 fatalities and 3 fatalities are duplicate reports however, as they are in the same county at the same time. I revised the total downward, feel free to revert if you disagree.-RunningOnBrains 05:19, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
And it may still not be over - another active week is forecast. The amount of time separating the events will determine whether to continue them in the current article, or separate it all. Tomorrow should be quiet, but May 13-15 expects to be very active. CrazyC83 (talk) 16:13, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
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- Yeah. Keep it up. Where I'm at we have a severe weather outbreak going on w/ the possibility of tornadoes tonight and the next two or three days. 205.240.146.14 (talk) 00:53, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Article proposal
I propose that an article about the April 28, 2008 tornadoes that hit virginia and north carolina should be created. Any thoughts? Storm05 (talk) 15:54, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
- I personally believe it is covered just fine here. Does not seem to be particularly notable; this could change when Storm Data comes out in a few months if the outbreak was particularly damaging. It's a borderline case, certainly if you think you can make a Featured Article out of it eventually go right ahead. Just be sure, before creating the article (if you do), that you can easily tell why the topic is notable enough for an article just by reading it. -RunningOnBrains 16:16, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
- I would agree with that. As it stands right now, this does not meet the general notability criteria we use, but that could change when the damage amounts come out (but that likely will not happen until late this summer at the earliest). Gopher backer (talk) 16:27, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
- I agree with leaving it here for now, since there is no article to put it into (too far away from the May 1-2 activity geographically) and it doesn't warrant an article on its own. If the numbers change when the final data come out, it might be warranted though. CrazyC83 (talk) 17:49, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
- Although there is a two-day gap (just like between the April 28 and May 1-2 outbreak) between the Mother's Day outbreak (May 10-11) and the May 14-15 outbreak though both were included together in the Outbreak sequence article. I think we should consider this as well. That single tornado on May 13 was not even confirmed. Also, the April 28 outbreak was far more destructive then May 14-15. --JForget 19:31, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
- I agree with leaving it here for now, since there is no article to put it into (too far away from the May 1-2 activity geographically) and it doesn't warrant an article on its own. If the numbers change when the final data come out, it might be warranted though. CrazyC83 (talk) 17:49, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
- I would agree with that. As it stands right now, this does not meet the general notability criteria we use, but that could change when the damage amounts come out (but that likely will not happen until late this summer at the earliest). Gopher backer (talk) 16:27, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] May 22-24+
Someone else decided to create an article for this developing outbreak (not linked to this page). IMO it is way too early (although there is a good chance it will be warranted in the end), but it created a bit of an argument. Let it stand or delete it? CrazyC83 (talk) 19:40, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
- Let it stand for now. As for the name, is it really late-May? -CWY2190(talk • contributions) 19:43, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
- That is my preferred format (to ensure the words combine up). If it lasts into the weekend, something like 2008 Memorial Day Weekend tornado outbreak, but not if it stops well before then. CrazyC83 (talk) 19:55, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
- I believe there is enough to warrant an article now: 3 deaths, much of Laramie, WY (3rd biggest city in Wyoming) considerably damaged, high risk issued, more strong tornadoes expected.-RunningOnBrains 21:05, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
- That is my preferred format (to ensure the words combine up). If it lasts into the weekend, something like 2008 Memorial Day Weekend tornado outbreak, but not if it stops well before then. CrazyC83 (talk) 19:55, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
- Question, was that supercell north of Denver moving west? That radar image does not look like your typical supercell. Speaking of that radar image, is that legal for us to use? It came wunderground.com, and while they do use public domain data from the NWS, they may have their own "spin" that their company puts on the radar images, and I'm wondering if that is allowable for use here. Gopher backer (talk) 21:09, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
- First off, to answer your question, most storms today are moving NNW-NNE (it's an unusual storm mode). Second, these folks just retracted their claim of three dead, its back down to one. Third and lastly, I'm fairly certain that a derivative of a Federal Govt work is still PD, I could be wrong though.-RunningOnBrains 21:20, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Sandbox underway at User:CrazyC83/Outbreak0522. CrazyC83 (talk) 00:21, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
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- I've notice something that might be interesting for the synopsis section, that might be added in regards to Laramie. Right now after getting the tornado, they are having thundersnow and 0.5 mile visibility and 32 degrees and accumulating snow forecast tonight. A tornado warning is in effect just one county east of Laramie in Cheyenne. Sorry for not helping out tonight.JForget 02:18, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
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- Just a heads up, a huge supercell is heading right towards Greensburg... again with a reported tornado on the ground and possible baseball size hail. I think CrazyC we should send the article to mainspace since it will likely surpass the 25+ tornadoes + at least 1 killer criteria.--JForget 01:02, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
This is insane...even if it is weaker, the FEMA trailers cannot withstand anything. Plus the cells in the north are as bad as Greensburg I... CrazyC83 (talk) 01:34, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
- Too everyone, there is another strong supercell that needs to be watched as well - this one is heading towards Medecine Lodge and if it holds together perhaps Wichita. This one also has the TVS indicator on the Microsoft Virtual Earth. Looks like there is almost a hook echo there.--JForget 02:15, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] June 4-6 outbreak
Even though an article will probably not be required tonight, I might start out a sandbox since the forecast for tomorrow is bad. CrazyC83 (talk) 00:53, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- Guess we may have another outbreak sequence situation, especially if there are several tornadoes in the same area hit yesterday. This is all from a series of storms along the ring of fire/stationary boundary. The storms have caused three deaths, should an article do happen I think the DC derecho might need its own section - maybe its own article if we don't include yesterday's outbreak.--JForget 01:15, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- It is a complicated situation here on how to treat everything. The stationary front does provide a connection between the systems, even though no tornado activity yet warrants an article - the DC derecho almost does (I thought about it but held back on it due to the lack of many structural damage reports even though about 510,000 lost power). None of the deaths were tornado-related BTW (1 due to winds, 2 due to flooding). Basically, I see June 1 and 2 as isolated events that don't really have much of a role at all in this, while yesterday's systems in the Midwest are now in the Mid-Atlantic, with the main tornado outbreak system (likely to be tomorrow's big issue) back over the Oklahoma Panhandle and New Mexico currently. CrazyC83 (talk) 01:47, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Sandbox at User:CrazyC83/Outbreak0604. CrazyC83 (talk) 01:57, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Do derechos count towards this page and towards the death total? I thought this was just for tornadoes. 63.215.29.212 (talk) 02:10, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- The death tolls from derechos do NOT count towards the season total. In outbreak articles, they get listed as (x + y non-tornadic), with x representing tornado deaths and y representing the total deaths from thunderstorms in the outbreak not related to tornadoes (i.e. straight-line winds, hail, lightning, heavy rain/flooding), if there are any. Since most derechos have embedded tornadoes, those with such are listed on this page. CrazyC83 (talk) 02:16, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Not surprisingly, a high risk today. The article may be needed fairly quickly once things get going. CrazyC83 (talk) 14:04, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
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- SPC is saying that the storm will rapidly intensify within the next 2-3 hours. The risk for EF2-5 tornadoes is 60% with an almost definate chance of >2 tornadoes. This may be one of the strongest of the year the way they're putting this info out. I just hope everyone is ready again. It's been a rough time for them in the past month or so. It's sad to see this keep happening to the same areas over and over again. To all that may be affected, stay safe! Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:57, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
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I've already built a lead and synopsis section on the draft version as I'm anticipating to move it to mainspace tonight. I've put in bold June 2008 tornado outbreak sequence for the moment as possible title. I think, we will have a sufficient number of tornadoes that even if there are no tornadic deaths an article will be needed.JForget 19:18, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- I agree, it is probable - but not certain - that the article will be warranted by this evening. Also the fact that this is likely to turn into a major derecho event this evening could also change things. CrazyC83 (talk) 20:01, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Wow this was really serious where I was. A large tornado did some damage south of chicago and there was a large funnel cloud where I was which prompted tornado sirens. Fortunately it looks to be over here. Rvk41 (talk) 00:25, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
- I'm just waiting for more details. If there are fatalities or if things look terrible, I'll get the article going. CrazyC83 (talk) 00:29, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
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- Reports of homes flattened in Richton Park. Hope no one was killed Cyclonebiskit (talk) 01:13, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
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