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I see there is a PoV of the great antiquity of the Jomon period spreading through Wikipedia. This is contrary to the judgment of the Tokyo National Museum itself. Septentrionalis 19:21, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
- For a general description of Jomon and its periods, please see [1]. For quotes, "The earliest pottery, the linear applique type, was dated by radiocarbon methods taken on samples of carbonized material at 12500 +- 350 bp" (Prehistoric Japan, Keiji Imamura). "The earliest known pottery comes from Japan, and is dated to about 10,500 BC. China and Indo-China follow shortly afterwards" ("Past Worlds" The Times Atlas of Archeology. p. 100). For the legends on the 10.000-8.000 BCE pottery, I took the photograph myself in the Tokyo National Museum (1st floor Heiseikan), and the legend attached to the artifact is indeed 10.000-8.000 BCE Initial Jomon. The few items shown on the Tokyo National Museum webpage represent a minuscule portion of their actual collection. You can find a description of a similar item at [2] in [3]. This is quite generally known and undisputed stuff. PHG 00:38, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
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- Your first source contains the statement: [Incipient Jomon] which is dated from about 10,500 B.C. to 8,000 B.C. has left us only pottery fragments. Since the vessel pictured is not a fragment, this seems odd. If it is a reconstruction, this should be indicated.
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- You appear to misunderstand the usage of the {{Accuracy}} tag. It is not a claim that the page is wrong, but that the page (whether or not it is right) is disputed. It should not be removed except by consensus; preferably reached by persuading the disputers, but also obtainable by inviting third opinions or a survey. Since you have not yet persuaded me, removal is improper. Please continue. Septentrionalis 19:09, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
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- Hi Pmanderson. Claiming that Jomon only starts in 4,000 BCE and modifiying the dates of a photograph of an archeological object because you are not "convinced" is quite outrageous. I suggest you do you own homework before taking such positions. Some more pages: [4], [5], [6], [7], [8] with photographs [9]. You will find photographs of Incipient Jomon full-fledged potteries in Imamura "Prehistoric Japan" ISBN 0824818539, either bean-applique, linear-applique or cord-marked. PHG 22:43, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
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