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While the article seems pretty long, it actually doesn't even touch the surface of IDF basic training. I can't write much more because I'm in only one corps (and a jobnik at that), but would appreciate it if editors who are/were in IDF, would write about their basic training courses, and what qualifications are needed for them. -- Ynhockey 12:09, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Delete? 2 As someone who is going through Tironut... 3 Rewrite 4 Don't know how much help I can give you 5 Acceptable research material not available 6 contested statement removed

[edit] Delete?

as this is English wikipedia, should Hebrew words such as this be included? ابو علي (Abu Ali) 11:27, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

As this is the English Wikipedia, should Arabic words such as Tawrat and Hajj be included? I think the answer is obvious. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 20:24, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] As someone who is going through Tironut...

Some of this information is inaccurate. I got my Intelligence Corps beret along with the uniform at the first day. Plus, even though I'll only be certified rifleman 02, push-ups and running are very common ways to punish us. It isn't only true for combatants.

Obviously, soldiers with health problems aren't forced to do these things, but the vast majority of soldiers don't have these kind of problems.

[edit] Rewrite

This page is in dire need of a rewrite - its shocking! I'd like to work on it on the next week or two and would appreciate some help...

Nachmore 06:15, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually the article is written fairly well, compared to, for example, the mess which the Hebrew counterpart is. The problem is that it's not complete, as the only person who wrote it (me) has only done tironut in one place, one time. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 14:41, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Firstly, I'd just like to clarify that I didn't mean the style of writing was bad, just that it doesn't do the subject justice - I apologise! My wording was a bit harsh (sorry...). I have checked out the Hebrew - and I won't even comment (although the picture is quite funny :) ). Nachmore 14:56, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

You are welcome to contribute to this article the best you can. What kind of information are you looking to add? Maybe it's just something that I overlooked and will be able to help you with. Please let me know. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 21:09, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

For what it's worth I don't think the article is so bad. There's as much detail as anyone could ever really expect to find in a non-Ivrit source. Do any other non-English speaking armies have whole articles dedicated to their basic training? Dino246 21:14, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Never expected this to escalate into this much - I'll clarify that my main problem was with the "personal experience" section from ~30 years ago that was written shockingly and has now been removed. Nachmore 01:03, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Don't know how much help I can give you

I went through Basic Training in Golani 30 years ago. I don't know how much it has changed since then. Back then it was quite brutal, humiliation of "toilet people" was common. My platoon leader used to slap people who started crying. One guy at my base committed suicide. Tim the Bald 01:04, 24 October 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tim the Bald (talk • contribs) 00:57, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Although your personal experience may give you an expert opinion, according to Wikipedia policy on original research you cannot include a personal account in an article. Dino246 01:42, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately as with most IDF related issues, the hardest part is finding references. I know the protocols and the guidelines but they are all classified. As mentioned above, I'll try to find time to work on a general rewrite and use as much referencing as is openly available on the net. Nachmore 04:48, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Acceptable research material not available

Unfortunately, I do not believe there exists among IDF training material instructions on how to administer "Wild punishment all night" (Kadur) and other original punishments which at least were used when I was a recruit. This is all probably based on tradition. Some may even have been taken from the British army, I don't know. However, the intense pressure and punishments are very much a part of basic training, or were, and it is hard to see how this article can be complete without mentioning them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.85.47.11 (talk) 13:34, 24 October 2007 (UTC) Tim the Bald 04:49, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] contested statement removed

Other units may swear in at other historical landmarks, such as Ben Gurion's grave or Masada. {{Fact|date=December 2006}}

Please do not return this information to the article without a citation.--BirgitteSB 14:39, 9 June 2008 (UTC)