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The 1997 thing needs to be fixed - BobJoHankins

Someone went through and removed the capitalizations of the word "out" in Time Out of Mind. I'm pretty sure that's incorrect. Check every PROFESSIONAL review and article of this album on the web and in print, they capitalize "out" so that it reads Time Out of Mind. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.105.110.246 (talk • contribs) 23:40, 28 August 2006.

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (capitalization) states "In general, titles of books, films, and other works are also capitalized, except for articles (a, and, the) and prepositions and conjunctions shorter than five letters (e.g., to, from, and)." Extraordinary Machine 16:04, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, sure, it's all fine and dandy to go according to conventions but I think making sure everything is factually correct is more important than following some made up conventions. Also, note the words, "in general".--Lairor 03:59, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
What's more "out" is neither an article, preposition or conjunction, it's an adverb. I'm going to change things back.--Lairor 04:07, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
  1. Depending on the context, the word "out" can be several things; in this context, it's a preposition.
  2. With regard to choices of typography, in most cases there's no such thing as "factually correct". It's likely that Dylan's record label's manual of style suggests capitalisation of prepositions in titles, in which case that's "correct" for them; ours doesn't, which is thus "correct" for us. The one thing we know for certain is what standard Wikipedia style (and what is stipulated in most major manuals of style) is, which is why it's best and safest to use it. Extraordinary Machine
Actually if Dylan's record label stipulates that "out" should be capitalized then that's the official name and we shouldn't put forward wrong information just in the effort of standardization. But I'm not going to change it because I know you'll just change it back whatever the rationale because I've seen you're really passionate about upholding this particular naming convention regardless of whether the rest of the world actually recognizes it.--Lairor 04:58, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Title?

I always thought the title came from Warren Zevon's song "Accidentally Like a Martyr". Isn't Dylan a big fan of Zevon? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mcmillancaleb (talk • contribs) 21:45, 13 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Title again

I've found a few different albums by the name of Time Out of Mind on allmusic.com. The phrase is common enough to have the title listed with (Dylan album) appended.

The second issue is Wikipedia is an encyclopedia people go to look for information. I understand the naming convention for albums per Wikipedia policy. However, shouldn't you go by what the album is actually entitled, and not enforce some artificial policy by Wikipedia about some absurd notions of "prepositions" and other parts of speech?

The album title is not Time out of Mind. All professional reviews, all promotional material from Columbia Records, and Bob Dylan's website has the album title as Time Out of Mind. Given that fact, and since the goal of Wikipedia is to be a reliable encyclopedia, shouldn't the naming convention be revised accordingly? After all, it's not Wikipedia who determines the album name, it's the artist and the record company. They're pretty clear cut on what the real name is, despite Wikipedia's naming convention! --berenlazarus

We should not disambiguate when not needed per WP:ALBUM#Naming, so until those other albums with this title are actually added to Wikipedia, this article should not be disambiguated as "(Dylan album)", and when they are it should be "(Bob Dylan album)". As for the capitalization, the guideline is to normalize capitalization, just like how we normalize for example trampin' to Trampin'. We don't normalize the spelling of titles, just their capitalization. If someone enters the title with the alternate capitalization, a redirect should take them to the article they were looking for. Feel free to argue that those conventions should be changed, preferably at WT:NC and WT:ALBUM respectively. In the mean time we should follow our conventions, so I'm moving the article back. --PEJL 12:23, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Time out of Mind just looks wrong to me. "Out" is surely an important word in the title? --kingboyk 17:25, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Yes, it looks wrong to me to, but noone has questioned the claim (above) that "out" is a preposition in this case. --PEJL 17:53, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citation

Where in that world does that interesting extended quotation about "Mississippi" in The Outtakes section come from?

75.68.165.253 01:38, 24 September 2007 (UTC)sean

[edit] Recording

The info box says the album was recorded in January and February of 1997. Can somebody provide a source that says there were sessions in February?--Dawson1066 12:28, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Ore4444 (talk • contribs) 21:18, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Capital "O"!

Time O'ut of Mind.' Or is it Time Out Of Mind? But the "O" in Out is definitely capitalised. Sort it out!! Adufig2000 (talk) 18:01, 27 May 2008 (UTC)