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Reviewed version: July 27, 2006

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[edit] Name Pronounciation

How do you pronounce his name? I understand we've been calling him 'kay-hill' all these years, but I think he recently said it was called 'car-hill'. Someone evaluate?

I think this is down to his Australian accent. When he was at Millwall, we always refered to him as "kay-hill", but I think I'm right in saying that Cahill is an Irish name, so we need an Irish Wikipedian on the "correct" way to pronounce it. But having said that, if Tim says it's "car-hill" then the way he pronounces it, would be the correct way. Hope this helps. Best wishes, Lion King 03:07, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Australians generally say "Carl" (with a long 'a'), which is closer to Car-hill, when they pronounce Cahill (as in the Cahill Expressway, a major road in Sydney.) However, he has played mainly in England and the Socceroos commentator in Australia is English too so 'Cay-hill' has just stuck. It'd be hard to get people to change the pronunciation now.

[edit] Good Article nomination failed

The Good Article nomination for this article failed for the following reasons:

  • Some parts of the article do not maintain a Neutral point of view, which is essential. For instance – "He also scored a superb volley against local rivals Liverpool, in a match Everton lost 2-1." Who said it was superb? Is there a citation for that opinion? Any parts in the article expressing opinions need to have citations, otherwise they should be changed to become neutral.
  • Poorly composed lead section. An article's lead section should never introduce new facts that aren't discussed in the main article body. See WP:LEAD for more info about what a lead should contain.
  • Although I can't confirm this, the fact that the picture used in the article was uploaded by a user who is currently blocked for vandalism doesn't bode well. If possible, I suggest finding an alternate picture that can be used.
  • The items in the Trivia section should be incorporated into the main article text. If some of them can't, then they probably don't belong in the article at all.
  • All dates need to be formatted and wikified according to the guidelines at WP:DATE.
  • The infobox says his nickname is Tiny Tim, but nowhere in the article is it explained why.

There are the major things that popped out to me. Once they are all addressed, feel free to renominate this article (that doesn't guarantee it will succeed, however). It may be helpful to take a look at similar articles that have passed, such as David Beckham. --cholmes75 (chit chat) 16:59, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Undisclosed fee?

Why has the link to the Millwall History files been removed? Millwall revealed the fee to the South London Press, they gave it as being £1.5 million. Lion King 09:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

This is pure press whispers. The official website says undisclosed that means officially it is undisclosed. Other sources say £2million. SenorKristobbal 13:08, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

My mistake, I have checked the Everton website and the fee, as you correctly state, remains undisclosed. It is indeed just "press whispers" Lion King 13:22, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Houlier's Evertonian family

Surely that needs citation...I can't imagine an ex-Liverpool manager just waltzing into the Everton dressing room and asking a player for his shirt. Unless he's just trying to annoy his former employees--RoyalBlueStuey 09:56, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia section

If the items in the trivia section are going to be incorporated into the main article text then they should be removed from the trivia section.

Agreed. I have moved the references to his children (and his car!!?) out of the "Early Life" section and back into "trivia". These facts are more suited to that section - they certainly aren't part of his early life. Would quite like to get rid of the car reference altogether (it reads like a plug for the manufacturer) but I guess someone finds it interesting125.63.139.142 15:04, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] League games for Millwall

Millwall a Complete Record by Richard Lindsey, shows Tim played 215 league games for the Lions. Where does 218 come from? Cheers, Lion King 11:00, 15 September 2006 (UTC) tim cahill RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!and Harry kewll()()()()()()()()()()()() (SOCCER)

[edit] Rugby League

Relative of Apollo Perelini. Fan of the Canterbury Bulldogs and regularly gets up to Saints games along with James Beattie.

[edit] International caps & goals

The info box says 24 caps 12 goals but in the text it says 13 goals from 18 appearances or something like that. How does this work.