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[edit] His Penis.

This story was reported in several UK gossip pages recently, including Popbitch.

>> Too much information <<
  Does Tim have a Jacko-like dick?
  Helena Bonham Carter is filming the new Harry Potter movie in Scotland. 
  She was overheard at the bar of a hotel telling crew members that her husband,
  Tim Burton, is "a demon in the sack", and that he has "a black and white
  stripey cock". Blimey.

I think it is worth including? This news is repeated here: http://mrsgiggles.braveblog.com/entry/24669—Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.20.148.184 (talk • contribs)


I disagree. Blogs are not valid sources, and this is not Uncyclopedia, where the rule is "anything goes". ---Releeshan 18:22, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


It was mentioned in the canada national post, though.78.145.179.97 (talk) 10:34, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. According to Wikipedia guidlines, that is a valid citation. I put it back in to the article- I hope no-one minds!194.66.175.81 (talk) 14:15, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


someone keeps taking this out. I have no idea why. I think it is an important facet of tim burton the man and well worth including. in case the article is vandalized again, I've posted the entry here, too.

Burton's ubiquitous signiture style extends even to his own body. According to fiancee Helena Bonham Carter, he has black and white stripes tattooed along the width of his genitals. [1]

216.244.21.18 (talk) 13:03, 21 May 2008 (UTC)bleak

This really shouldn't be included in the article. Albeit hilarious, :P this bit doesn't seem to be much more than simple gossip and is thus unreliable. --Mizu onna sango15/水女珊瑚15 23:09, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Goth?

What's with these goth references in the article? Burton's style may be dark, but that kind of thing has existed longer than the goth subculture. Could we please use an accurate term instead of some unneeded youth culture reference? -- LGagnon 01:40, Dec 17, 2004 (UTC)

I am sure they are required. Tim Burton is known for drawing influences from gothic litterature (Vincent, Nightmare, etc) and old expressionist movies which did the same (Nosferatu, The Cabinet Of Dr Caligari). In addition to just the visual aspects of things, he also flirts with the subculture which goes by the name of "goth" (the use of Alien Sex Fiend merch in Mars Arracks! and Siouxsie & The Banshees-score of Batman...). --JimEerie (talk) 10:16, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

The goth subculture may be a fairly recent thing, but the term gothic is quite old. I think it accuratly describes some of his work. Also, he didn't actually direct The Nightmare Before Christmas, as it says in the article... but its listed in his directorial credits... Its one of my favorite movies and it wouldn't exist without him, but I think I'll remove it from that section for accuracy. -- corran_horn314 July 01, 2005


Goth isn't really a literal word. More of a post modern sort of culteral thing. The people and art we think of as being "goth" isn't literally goth. So if you take it for being the post modern culteral thing that it is Tim Burtons work is as "goth" as a kid wearing black clothing and makeup in modern times.

That said, I love Tim Burton's movies. My favorite right now has to be Corpse Bride. If only he could make more stop motion animated movies; he has a real knack for them. I love the movie so much I even entered the official poetry contest to try and win a puppet from the movie. Check it out http://www.corpsebridedvd.com that site has a lot of cool features as well for Burton fans.

His style appears to me to be fairly Gothic. I'd consider myself one [more then the look, but the artistic and darker veiwes] Even if he himself is far from being one, he has one hell of a knack of making Gothic-like words. Espically his stop-motion ones. FinalWish 07:00, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Weight Gain

Anyone have a more recent image? Burton and Depp were live on television tonight talking about the Chocolate Factory, and Burton has gained a LOT of weight. (I'll save the jokes about working on a movie about candy...)

[edit] Goth?

Goth·ic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gthk) adj.

1. Of or relating to the Goths or their language.

2. Germanic; Teutonic.

3. Of or relating to the Middle Ages; medieval.


4. Of or relating to an architectural style prevalent in western Europe from the 12th through the 15th century and characterized by pointed arches, rib vaulting, and a developing emphasis on verticality and the impression of height.

5. Of or relating to an architectural style derived from medieval Gothic. Of or relating to painting, sculpture, or other art forms prevalent in northern Europe from the 12th through the 15th century.

6. often gothic Of or relating to a style of fiction that emphasizes the grotesque, mysterious, and desolate.

7. gothic Barbarous; crude.

([1])

Note: See #6 for the defintion which accurately decribes Burton's style and the subculture you mention.

Hint: Grab a dictionary before you rant--you'll sound smarter.

[edit] the dread neutral point of view..

I wonder if there's better language than the following: 'an eccentric film director' 'He is known for being very hit and miss as a director, films such as Ed Wood are seen as classics, whilst Planet of the Apes is seen as an atrocity of film making'. Oh okay - I will make it more NPOV 172.203.157.16 20:49, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] the dread neutral point of view..

I wonder if there's better language than the following: 'an eccentric film director' 'He is known for being very hit and miss as a director, films such as Ed Wood are seen as classics, whilst Planet of the Apes is seen as an atrocity of film making'. Oh okay - leave it to me to make it NPOV thegirlinwhite 20:51, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Absolutly Insane?

Is there anywhere that talks about Burton going insane during his work on the Fox and the Hound and mentioning "...he did bizarre things such as sitting in his closet and refusing to come out, sitting on or under his desk, biting anyone who came near him, and at one point, he even managed to rip out his wisdom teeth and run down the hall, letting his gums bleed"?

If anyone can back this up, I'd be grateful. - SmeagolSquid 15:41, 29 December 2005 (UTC)


Well, I did see Tim Burton's biography on the Biography Channel. And it did have his friends (or people working on the movie with him) saying that he sat in closets for hours, sitting at his desk staring into space so I can account for that much of the story.
But I don't know whether he went "insane" or not. You could say "according to various people who worked on the film, Tim Burton exhibited eccentric behaviour during the making of The Fox and the Hound". But it could have been all for show on Tim Burton's part or he could have just been really frustrated at that time. But yes, I can back you you up some-what. --Rachel Cakes 00:46, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Tim ripping his wisdom teeth out and other very odd acts during that period are actually backed up in his autobiography, Burton on Burton. I’m not sure if some of the things were an exaggeration or not, but he included it so it is definitely reliable. Oogie13oogie 02:53, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

I believe that his wisdom teeth were removed by a dentist, although the story about letting the blood from his gums drip seems to be worthy of updating here.

[edit] Some False Information

"The rock band Blink 182 included a Tim Burton reference on the song 'I Miss You'. The line "We can live like Jack and Sally" was a reference to Jack Skellington and Sally in the movie The Nightmare Before Christmas." This is false, in the inside leaflet of the self titled Blink-182 album, it states that this line is a reference to one of the band members and their wife. As a Tim Burton and BLink fan, it would have been cool if it was true though. Ill leave removing the quote to someone who knows how to edit pages.

I know, I put that in. I think it's gone now, but while it was directed at one of the band members and his wife the names are a reference to NBC. It's backed up in the English music magazine Kerrang!. Just wanted to show I'm not crazy. User:Germs

[edit] Quality

To be honest I think quite a lot of the article is poorly written. I don't mean to cause any offence, but the quality of the writing just doesn't seem up to scratch.

[edit] Details on each film

Similar to the Steven Spielberg page, it would be great if we could have paragraphs of information on each film and maybe even a few paragraphs on the various colaborations Tim Burton has done. Including Danny Elfman and Actors (e.g Jonny depp, Hulk Hogan and Jack Nicholson.

[edit] Batman

4 sequels? I don't think so. Batman Begins is a completely new series (though, admittedly, it borrows a LOT from the original series). I added a little about the Batman franchise in general.

[edit] My Thing On Tim

Is this really needed, or should it be an external link? it seems to overextend the article and overcomplicated


Can we get a section on criticisms here? Burton is definitely no without them. Perhaps starting on what many moviegoers see as an inverse proportion of style to substance? 03:50, 8 May 2006 (UTC)66.227.226.251 CM

[edit] Wow.

I stumbled upon this article and started to correct some grammar mistakes, but OMG theres alot in here. There's also quite a few things that just make little to no sense. Anyone wanna re-arrange it and fix the grammar? I'll tackle it sometime, but have work and school filling my time at the moment... JamesBenjamin 01:07, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Dude, you made a few grammar errors, yourself. Haha. =] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.205.224.26 (talk) 22:04, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

Can someone remove the fancrufty, rubbish trivia in the article please? LuciferMorgan 22:20, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Pee wee's playhouse

Shouldn't anyone mention that he is attached to direct the upcoming pee wee's playhouse movie? Is this false? It is written on IMDb but I have not seen any confirmation from Paul Ruebens. Does anyone have any other information on this? Gothforever —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.11.220.60 (talk) 02:49, 28 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Trivia

I incorporated the trivia I could find a place for -- I really don't think most of this has a place in this article, but I hesitate to completely delete other people's work. If you can find a place for it, go ahead... otherwise, I guess at least its here for those who are interested.

[edit] Photograph

Added a photo of the man.VonV 01:11, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Add a free photo then, not a copyright violation. Alientraveller 09:01, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Burton regulars"

I'm curious as to how anyone could consider Ian McDiarmid to be a "Burton regular", as claimed in this article. Caped Crusader (talk) 22:22, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

He was only in one of Tim's films, so I see your point... Hm... Should we take him out of that little list then? TakaraLioness 20:28, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
I believe someone attempted to edit the article, but succeeded only in making it worse. Rather than removing Ian McDiarmid from the list of names, the sentence was simply changed to read, "A host of Burton appeared in supporting roles". I suppose I will fix it. Caped Crusader (talk) 21:02, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Helena Bonham Carter?

Why is there nothing about their relationship, which includes one son and one upcoming child? They aren't technically married, but they do have a relationship, and it's included in Carter's page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anarchonihilist (talk • contribs) 01:37, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Now there is, in the Personal Life bit. TakaraLioness (talk) 15:00, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,345862,00.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wildroot (talk • contribs) 20:54, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

  1. http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,315642,00.html
  2. http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,316167,00.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wildroot (talk • contribs) 20:57, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A Series of Unfortunate Events

Anyone know why Burton decided not to do the film? Or was it because he was fired/

And why did Depp quit too? I mean, I know he's Burton's regular but that's no reason to quit a film just because Burton withdrew. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.131.62.226 (talk) 00:31, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Going by the film's Wikipedia article, it seems that Tim didn't want to do it. As for Johnny, maybe he didn't want to do it without Tim. I don't know. TakaraLioness (talk) 15:42, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hansel and Gretel ?

imdb has it and a few other online references to it. Should it be added to article? - SimonLyall (talk) 05:40, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I would say yes, despite being almost entirely unknown it is still a film he directed. /Film has a little more on it here. Jack (talk) 18:52, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Trademark?

"When presenting the film House of Wax with Vincent Price, he said his favorite scene was watching the wax figures melt and their eyeballs fall out in such a manner. He got to express that excitement when he directed Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. He also got to work with Vincent Price by casting him in Edward Scissorhands."

I think this is relevant information to the article, but not a trademark. Can anyone find a better place for it? DanTheShrew (talk) 12:12, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Goth?

I think the correct word to describe some of his work is Macabre. In fact, if you look at the page for Macabre, it links to Tim Burton in the "See also" section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.7.221.91 (talk) 16:48, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Unless I missed something, nothing in the article is described as "goth". There is a difference between goth and gothic. Ward3001 (talk) 17:12, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Why No Beetlejuice Section?

Beetlejuice is minimally discussed and is kinda lumped in with "early career", while all the films from Batman and Scissorhands on are given seperate sections. Why the short shrift for this film? For my money its kinda his breakthrough. Frankenweenie and Vincent are shorts and Pee Wee's BA, while containing distinctive Burton elements, is more about the film's star,and so these projects don'r necessarily need to be given equal weight to later projects, Beetljuice was a full length hit that is positively dripping with Burton's signature style... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.164.147.147 (talk) 21:36, 27 April 2008 (UTC)