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Maybe something could be said about the risng 'controversy' about the use of 'ornate' thuribles after Vatican 2?

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[edit] Vatican 2

I thought id add a little sentence about this. Feel free to add to it, or 'delete' it.. but please give me an explanition if someone does the latter.

I rearranged the sentence a bit, so that it made more sense. I'm going to try to get a picture of my church's incense basin, for upload, too. Cheyinka 03:31, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
You are welcome to use my image if you wish. We have all the elements if desired: plain and ornate thuribles and boats, boxes of incense, a thurifer garden where we heat coals, boat boys and girls. I am glad to photograph whatever is needed. Just let me know Sarum blue 18:24, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thurible article

In the thurible article, you refer to "non-Christian Gnostic Catholic Churches". I am a bit confused. What is a non-Christian Gnostic Catholic Church?--Filll 15:30, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Click through to the Gnostic Catholic Church disambiguation. At least one of the Churches listed, Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica is not Christian. Several of the churches listed under external links which do not yet have a Wikipedia article are also not Christian. Specifically, there are a number of Gnostic churches which have abandoned a Christian interpretation of their rites for a Thelemic one. -999 (Talk) 16:18, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

This is fascinating. Thank you very much.--Filll 16:30, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why was this deleted?

The use of thuribles after Second Vatican Council

There has been a recent controversy within the Roman Catholic Church on whether or not it is necessary to use ornate thuribles. As a result, some parishes use incense vases or other containers, which are carried directly rather than by a chain, and waved rather than swung. Other parishes use containers which are in fixed positions during the liturgy.--Filll 05:28, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV edits

The thurible is documentably used in the practice of magic (paranormal). Please stop removing the category. The thurible isn't "Christian liturgy, rites, and worship services", "Eastern Orthodoxy", or "Eastern Catholicism" either. If you remove the category magic on such feeble ground, all those have to be removed too. After all, it is simply an object used in these religions, just as it is in magic. IPSOS (talk) 03:23, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I think this category would more properly be placed on the article, "Censer". The thrust of the current article is the liturgical use of the censer in the Christian Church, and traditional Christianity finds any association of liturgical practice with magic to be offensive. By contrast, the article "Censer" describes the wider usage--I think this would settle any POV qualms. MishaPan 17:21, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
There is no such category as "Censer". The article is fine as it is. This is precisely what is meant by POV: the fact that Christians find the magical use of the thurible distasteful is not a valid reason to remove the magic category. IPSOS (talk) 00:33, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
I am curious. Please explain how a thurible can be used magically. Sarum blue 23:43, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
To cense the magic circle while circumambulating, generally while vibrating names of God or other magical formulae. IPSOS (talk) 23:48, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
I just looked quickly, but did not see mention of the use of incense in the magic circle. Am I missing something? Sarum blue 00:48, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Where does it discuss incense and thuribles in the magic circle?Sarum blue 01:16, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Not used on Good Friday?

Incense is used on Good Friday when the host is transferred from the altar of repose in both RC and Anglican churches according to the modern usage.

It is nowhere recommended that it should not be used on Sundays in Advent and Lent.

82.36.94.228 10:12, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

And where is this suggested in the article? Am I missing something?--Filll 16:13, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes - check back a couple revisions ago. It was suggested (not by me). Sarum blue 01:12, 19 September 2007 (UTC)