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[edit] Gen Jesup Quoted On Obverse Of Maj. David Moniac Memorial Stone, Bushnel Nat. Cem., Fla., U.S. Gov. Did Gratis (usually I pay)

My kinsman, Maj. David Manic, Alabama Mounted Creek Volunteers in U.S. service, Second Seminole War, was killed leading his troop (dragoons?) across the river at nearby Battle of Wahoo Swamp, Florida; over 50 bullets in his human remains. His wife Mrs. Mary Powel Moniac was alledgedly a first cousin of Oceola. His father was Creek Chief Samuel "Sam" Moniac, Sr., who 1790 sign the peace treaty with President Washington, N.Y.C. Sam taught ally Gen. Jackson the Creek word that sounds like, and means: "OK". President Jackson's reward; Sam was "removed" via New Orleans and in transit Pass Christian, Miss., when and where he "heard the owl call his name"; no veteran's memorial stone. Sam had Episcopal services for one of David's several burials; the last alledged one, anonymously under one or both, of two pyramids, St. Augustian, Fla., Nat. Cem. David was the first or second, Native American graduate at West Point; commissioned a Lt., 5th U.S.Inf. W.P. archives still has two letters from my 1815 Mobile, Ala. ancestor (Russell Co., Ala., named) Col. Gilbert Christian Russell, Sr., 3rd U.S. Inf. (son of Capt. Andrew Russell, Jr., who fought at the Battle of Kings Mountain) who wed Margaret Hollinger in an 1815, one-week wedding celebration, Hollinger's Island off Mobile. Mrs. Margaret Hollinger Russell's step-mother, Mrs. Elizabeth Moniac Hollinger, was David's sister. The stone quotes Gen. Jesup that David was: "As brave as any man who has drawn a sword and faced the enemy". Col. Russell's brother-in-law was U.S. Senator, Col. George Washington Owen, Mayor of Mobile, who's daugter wed Adm. Semmes, CSN. Jim Miller/Na-poo-pah-too-wah/Ne-p8-pa-ta-8a/Walkslowly (ie., turtle), Southport, N.C. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.221.240.154 (talk • contribs) 08:27, 4 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Service in Second Seminole War

The article should give more than a passing reference to Jesup's service in the Second Seminole War. During the conflict, Jesup frequently spoke against U.S. policy in this war, contending that it was not in the interests of the United States and that the Seminoles might just as well be left in possession of the limited area they occupied in Florida. Jesup's most controversial act, for which he was widely condemned, was the capture of the Seminole leader Osceola, in apparent violation of the flag of truce under which Osceola had come to Jesup's camp in order to discuss terms. Tom129.93.17.66 02:22, 28 September 2007 (UTC)