Talk:Thirteenth Step

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[edit] Cover girl

Any definitive info on who the girl on the cover is? Static3d 05:35, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

The page says it's Elisha Cuthbert. Is that true or is that vandalism? Deutschebag17 17:52, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Pretty sure it's vandalism. I recall reading an article ages ago that said the model on the album cover is the same one in the "Weak and Powerless" video, and that is clearly not Elisha Cuthbert. In any case, the Cuthbert mention is uncited, so I'll remove it until someone finds a cite one way or the other. unless
OK, I just spent the last hour and a half trawling the depths of the internet looking for that reference and I can't find it. But every interview and discussion I did find refers to the photo's subject as "the model" or "the girl". Given that Cuthbert was already pretty famous by then (24 started in 2001), it strikes me as monumentally unlikely that she would pose for an album cover without anyone noticing it. Removing the text from the article. unless 08:09, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
well she is a fan of tool, and it does kinda look like her.65.43.220.55 09:35, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] other

The album page title should be A Perfect Circle - Thirteenth Step to be consistent with other albums. I don't know how to change it.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Codus (talk • contribs)

No, it shouldn't. --King Bee 21:37, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bill Wilson

Significantly Bill Wilson, creator of the 12-step program, cheated on his wife Lois with many different women, both before and after sobriety. "I'm going to a meeting" was often a double-entendre when Bill Wilson said it. Bill actually invented the old A.A. tradition of Thirteenth Stepping the pretty women who come to A.A. meetings seeking help for alcoholism. (First you teach them the Twelve Steps, and then you take them to the bedroom and teach them the Thirteenth Step....)

This reads as though it's libel. I'm taking it out, pending a source. --King Bee 21:37, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Can't verify the particulars of the above story about Bill Wilson, but I do know that the term "thirteenth step" is A.A. slang for sex (at least in Chicago in the late eighties) and can have several connotations. At times it's used to mean an extension of the twelfth step, in particular the bit "we tried to carry this message to alcoholics", but with sex, kind of a twelfth step with benefits. It's also used when somebody who has been in the program for some time has sex with a newcomer. Both are vaguely perjorative; to what extent depends on who you happen to be talking to. Ultranaut 00:05, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

"It has been speculated that the title is a reference to the Twelve-step program. According to Maynard on the commentary for the aMOTION DVD, the album is a concept album with all of the songs dealing with the problem of addiction from a different perspective."

It would be better if this had a quote from the dvd. Which I don't own, otherwise I would do so myself.

Here's what Maynard says during the commentary for "The Outsider" from the aMOTION DVD:

"The songs on Thirteenth Step for the most part are about the various processes of addiction, behavioural addictions, chemical addictions, and each song is kind of sung from a different perspective. I've a lot of friends who've gone through a lot of these situations. Some of the songs are sung from the perspective of the actual drug, from the perspective of someone who has realized that they have an issue or a problem, also from the perspective of a person who realizes that if they don't do something they're going to die, a song from the perspective of a person who is in denial about a loved one, dying right before their eyes. And in the case of "The Outsider", it's sung from the perspective of a person who doesn't understand at all what their friend is going through, what their loved one is going through, and they think that it's more like a sprained ankle; they can just kind of walk it off."

Aottley 13:16, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is this true?

The article says that Devo H. Keenan (Maynard's son) sang backing vocals on "Pet". Maynard's article says that Devo was born in 1995. That would mean that he was eight years old when he sang on that song. While I know this isn't that much of a stretch, I'm just verifying this... --DJ Gentòó 00:36, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thirteenth step?

Considering that the Eye of Providence in the dollar note is above a pyramid with 13 steps, it might have some connections to that. Tool has always liked such weird references, A Perfect Circle won't be that much differen. But as said, it is only speculation --93.104.115.199 (talk) 16:09, 10 June 2008 (UTC)