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[edit] DC meetup #3

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[edit] Template:Db-bio

Template:Db-bio is used by a number of different templates with link to it, such as db-nn. That's why it's generic. I've reverted. Corvus cornixtalk 21:29, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

That's true, and it is also used for {{Db-A7}} and beau coup others ... this was discussed at length on the talk page for {{db-bio}} and on Twinkle's discussion page ... the final compromise "default" version is even more generic, and totally appropriate for {{db-nn}}, because it was copied directly from WP:CSD#A7.
It is used by several templates with arguments to create the appropriate notability guideline links (or in its "default" mode, like {{Db-nn}} and {{Db-A7}}), so if you would rather it say:

a real person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content

than

a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content

which is the language in A7 - No indication of importance/significance, then leave it alone ... otherwise please revert your revert, like User:Allstarecho did ... Happy Editing! —The Bipolar Anon-IP Gnome (talk) 22:55, 25 December 2007 (

I'm sorry, I don't understand your argument. I reverted because db-nn redirects to db-bio, and my speedy deletion tag was removed by another editor becuase it was on an article which was not a bio. I reverted the edits you made because based on your edits, db-nn is now no longer viable. Corvus cornixtalk 21:07, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

See this thread from 2005 on the {{db-bio}} talk page ... it "defaults" to what most people consider {{Db-nn}} and {{Db-A7}} should say, i.e., the language of WP:CSD#A7 ... the fact that legacy bots and tools use it is a historical anomaly that cannot be overcome ... if people would take the time to learn how to use it correctly, then this would not be such a problem ... did you read the recent discussions, e.g., "Sanity check" on that same discussion page?
You really should use {{Db-A7}} instead of {{Db-nn}}, or whichever is most appropriate of the other templates listed in {{Warn-templates}}. —The Bipolar Anon-IP Gnome (talk) 22:14, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Until such a time as there is an MfD to delete db-nn, the language should remain. Corvus cornixtalk 22:15, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
It is my interpretation of the consensus that {{db-bio}} should default to the "generic" WP:CSD#A7 guideline and language (which is why Twinkle is being changed to use it), and that if you want something specific to WP:BIO, then you should use {{db-bio|people|WP:BIO}} ... I know it's ugly, but there is too much historical inertia to overcome to make it otherwise ... that's why I changed my position. —The Bipolar Anon-IP Gnome (talk) 22:35, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
OK, I see where the snafu in the reverts occurred ... now it's back to the consensus wording, i.e., the same as CSD A7 and the {{Nn-warn}} templates. —The Bipolar Anon-IP Gnome (talk) 13:15, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm still confused as to what the discussion is all about, but so long as it isn't this version I'm happy. Corvus cornixtalk 17:05, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
We are, indeed, on the same page ... once I realized the legacy history, I backed off from supporting that version ... now I'm just making sure that the "generic" CSD warning templates use the same language as CSD A7 and the same red warning icon. :-) —The Bipolar Anon-IP Gnome (talk) 00:25, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] re: been there, done that...

Thanks for the kind word! Solidarity, brother :-) --A Good Anon (talk) 02:09, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] re: italics on the abbreviations e.g and etc.

See Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Foreign words. Like most newspapers and other modern publications, the rule here is that "Wikipedia prefers italics for phrases in other languages and for isolated foreign words that do not yet have every day use in non-specialised English." Etc. and e.g. are both in everyday use and are not routinely italicized by us or by the vast majority of other publishers.

For confirmation, you can also see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (text formatting) which includes the line "If looking for a good rule of thumb, do not italicize words that appear in Merriam-Webster Online." Etc and eg are both listed.

You could also look at Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Latin abbreviations which says "When used in the main text, the abbreviations should normally be in roman rather than italic face." It is, as you implied in your first question to me, an obscure point of WP:MOS but an unambiguous one once you know where to look.

On the issue of "history of vandalism", I retract my comment and apologize. My normal approach when evaluating the contributions of an anon editor is to first check for blocks in the log, then check for deleted contributions, then spot-check some edit histories to see if the user's edits have been reverted by others. In the case of your anon IP address, the deleted contributions log was large and some other reverts appeared to be in evidence. I now consider my assessment to have been a false positive. Again, my apologies for my failure to assume good faith. Rossami (talk) 00:02, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Wow, that is obscure, and flies in the face of over 30 years of editorial experience ... I remember making special LaTeX macros for /etc, /ie, and /eg for use with a 600+ page ANSI standard over a decade ago, so I'm kind of anal about the italics ... OTOH, I've always been one to support WP:CONSENSUS, so I shall refrain from this practice in the future ... who says an old dog can't unlearn a trick? :-)
And just how does one view their own "deleted contributions log", or is that an admin-only function?
BTW, do you have any comments on my Protocols for deletion warnings and {{Warn-templates}} quick-reference table? —The Bipolar Anon-IP Gnome (talk) 00:31, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Don't know if the "deleted contributions log" is admin-only. A link for it shows up when I look at the User contributions page. It's in a line of quick references right at the top of the page. (It's a relatively new addition.) Hope that helps. I have several different warning quick references. Hadn't seen yours before. I'll try to look them over when I have time, maybe this weekend... Take care. Rossami (talk) 03:02, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rubén Torres Llorca AfD

Hello Bipolar! If you find yourself being convinced by the new sources that people have listed since the AfD opened, you could withdraw this nomination. If, on the other hand, the new sources aren't sufficient, you could add a Comment to the AfD indicating what further info you'd like to see. I myself would be willing to Keep (for artists in this group) based on indication of holdings in permanent collections in any museums outside their native country. I'm justifying my vote in Torres Llorca's case not just because of the amazing number of Google hits (for this group) but also the fact that his work is held in a Fort Lauderdale museum. EdJohnston (talk) 17:41, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I don't find them convincing enough to withdraw, but I have backed off from {{Prod}} and {{Afd}} nominations while the articles in User talk:72.75.72.63/Cuban artists are researched by Some Other Editor ... and frankly, I am concerned that ArleArt (talk · contribs) copied a lot of these articles from/to the Spanish Wikipedia, with the same WP:LINKSPAM that was the subject of the WP:COI/N ... their very existence is being used as a claim of WP:N at some of the AfD discussions by Callelinea (talk · contribs), who BTW is removing dated PRODs without comment. —The Bipolar Anon-IP Gnome (talk) 17:57, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
I have placed comments and have been working on getting references for every one the about 150 articles. As you can see in the two articles you nominiated for deletion I have placed many references. I would like to request that you withdraw your nominations for those articles.Callelinea (talk) 06:03, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
I invite you (or Some Other Editor) to take over management of the Cuban artists checklist ... the WP:COI/N discussion is what first caught my attention, but that was over a month ago, and now it is time for me to MOVE ON. ... Happy Editing! —The Bipolar Anon-IP Gnome (talk) 17:35, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] username

Hello. I'm pretty you don't give a damn but your username just popped up on my watchlist and I just have to say: that's a very good username. Pichpich (talk) 03:12, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I had to use my registered account to test my new {{Oldprodfull}} template ... I guess the article was protected because of a Really Hostile editor ... anywho, it was one of the half-dozen I selected at random from Category:Proposed deletion-endorsed to "stress the robustness" of the template with various combinations of parameters. — The Bipolar Anon-IP Gnome (talk) 04:45, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: IP user pages

These were IPs that you had used in the past? I don't see any real reason to undelete them if they no longer belong to you and they presumably can / will be assigned to other users in the future. --MZMcBride (talk) 22:29, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

These pages were not tagged, this was part of general housekeeping. IP talk pages are rarely cleared. And if they are, it's generally because a new user of that IP has come along and wishes to have a clean talk page. There are over 1.6 million talk pages for anonymous users -- that's quite a lot, indicating that we keep most, if not all of them, around.

The reality is that you've split your contributions across multiple "accounts"; stitching them back together will never truly be successful. Anonymous user pages do not belong to any single user. If you really feel that these pages should be undeleted, you're free to use Deletion review. Or, you can tag the IP talk pages with a note about their history. I can promise you that it is highly, highly unlikely those IP talk pages will be deleted. At most, they'll likely simply be cleared or archived. Page histories can be used if signatures are unclear, however, it seems you linked to your talk page and your contributions when signing, so that really shouldn't be an issue. --MZMcBride (talk) 23:44, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The target for Template:db-bio redirect

Seeing that you had changed {{db-bio}} (which had since been moved) to the version here, I think you would like to know that I started a discussion at Template talk:db-bio about the proper target of the redirect. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 12:42, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia meetup

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