Talk:Thesis, antithesis, synthesis
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[edit] Problem Reaction Solution
Certainly many concepts and theories have been derived from Hegel's dialectic, so I don't see why Problem Reaction Solution in particular merits a link from this artile. (btw, don't label the removal of this link as "vandalism" - it is a content dispute, not the act of a vandal). --mtz206 14:38, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
- In my view, it is nothing short of bad faith vandalism. You want to add more, then do it. But dont give nonsensical arguements as "we should not have one link, since we dont have any right now." --Striver 16:32, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Stop falsely putting "Rv vandalism" in edit summaries.--Jersey Devil 21:01, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Removing info in bad faith is per definition vandalism. --Striver 14:17, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
- Problem reaction solution is the *primary* introduction prevalent in the United States and United Kingdom for the vast majority of the populous, since it was first popularized by David Icke in 1998 and picked up by Alex Jones after 11 September 2001. As such, it should be referenced as Striver has done, and vice versa. — HopeSeekr of xMule (Talk) 17:05, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
- HopeSeekr, I'm not following your argument at all. Can you rephrase? PRS is the "primary introduction" of what? I don't know what you're trying to say, but I doubt "the vast majority of the populous" of US or UK have heard of PRS. --mtz206 17:24, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] How is this not standard dialectic?
Is not dialectic "thesis, antithesis, synthesis"? How does Hegel's dialectic differ from the standard, and why is it deserving of this article's title? matturn 02:11, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Hegel's Dialectic
So the great influence of Hegel on all subsequent philosophy is based on terms that he never used himself? Also, he used the classification only once, in a discussion of Kant's triadic Pure Concepts? It might be beneficial if someone, anyone, could cite the exact location in Hegel's works in which he describes his famous three-step dialectic. Lestrade 21:57, 17 June 2007 (UTC)Lestrade
Can't find it! Brief excerpt of comments from hegel.net http://www.hegel.net/en/faq.htm#6.4 - "The most vexing and devastating Hegel legend is that everything is thought in "thesis, antithesis, and synthesis." [...] The actual texts of Hegel not only occasionally deviate from "thesis, antithesis, and synthesis," but show nothing of the sort. "Dialectic" does not for Hegel mean "thesis, antithesis, and synthesis." Dialectic means that any "ism" - which has a polar opposite, or is a special viewpoint leaving "the rest" to itself - must be criticized by the logic of philosophical thought, whose problem is reality as such, the "World-itself." - Irrespective of the linguistics of representation of a concept if the concept is acknowledged in the body of work "as such" then which terms are used to popularise the concept are perhaps of less consequence. T.A.S and it's modern colloquial P.R.S. surely encapsulate and represent Hegel's concepts rather than misrepresent them apart from the issue of literal quotation anything else is semantics. Whether the literal quotes are found in the body of his work or not is debated but seems unlikely. (See also http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0022-5037%28195806%2919%3A3%3C411%3ATHLO%22%3E2.0.CO%3B2-2&size=LARGE&origin=JSTOR-enlargePage - only one page unfortunately and possibly copyright) Hope this helps. Madmax69 21:01, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
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- So Hegel's dialectic is a fraud.Lestrade 23:01, 29 July 2007 (UTC)Lestrade
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[edit] Redundant Article
All the accurate information in this stub, except the quote, is already in the article on Dialectic. I suggest moving the quote there, deleting the duplicative remarks in the body of this article, and having it re-direct to Dialectic.KD Tries Again 18:31, 9 July 2007 (UTC)KD
[edit] Kant's Influence
As is explained in the Talk page for Dialectic, Fichte and Hegel took their dialectical self–movement of thought from Kant's triadic table of categories. Kant wote:
in every class there is the same number of categories, namely three, which again makes us ponder, because generally all division a priori by means of concepts must be a dichotomy. It should be remarked also, that the third category always arises from the combination of the second with the first … Critique of Pure Reason, B110
I emboldened the main point. From this Kantian triadic process of conceptual combination, Fichte, and subsequently Hegel, formed their so–called dialectical movement of concepts. I will try to include this information in the article.Lestrade 21:59, 30 July 2007 (UTC)Lestrade
[edit] Bertrand Russell's view
I have not read Hegel. However, Russell describes what characterizes Hegel's work as follows (from Russell, B. (1945), A history of western philosophy, p. 731, New York: Simon and Schuster, Thirteenth paperback printing, 1967):
Two things distinguish Hegel from other men who have had a more or less similar metaphysical outlook. One of these is emphasis deduced from the sole consideration that it must be not self-contradictory. The other distinguishing feature (which is closely connected with the first) is the tradic movement called the "dialectic". His most important books are his two Logics, and these must be understood if the reasons for his views on other subjects are to be rightly apprehended.
He goes on to give an example on p. 734 using the uncle/nephew synthesis. Given this statement, unless I misunderstand the conversation here, I would say that Russell thinks that this kind of dialectic originates with Hegel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bgoedecke (talk • contribs) 23:26, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
