Talk:Theobald Walter, 1st Baron Butler

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The Dictionary of National Biography does not use the title, and refers to him as: Butler [Walter], Theobald The relevant passage is: ""A number of individuals may be traced in the Amounderness area named Pincerna or le Boteler, which was developing into a surname during the late twelfth century, and this complicates the issue of the origins and significance of Theobald's title. In charters relating to Ireland issued between 1201 and 1205 he himself used the style ‘pincerna Hiberniae' " (Butler of Ireland) . I therefore propose moving the article to reflect the DNB name, which would generally be considered much more authoritative than the "Complete peerage".

Oh, the Complete Peerage doesn't use the title either, for him or for his son. The WP article for his son uses the title, and the redlink inside the son's article used the "1st baron" title, and since I just used the redlink to create the article, being lazy as it were. Moving it is fine with me, I just wanted someone who is more familiar with the subject of Irish history to weigh in on the subject, and help build some consensus. And I'll admit, I was hoping someone else would help fill out the article! 15:36, 7 November 2007 (UTC)Ealdgyth | Talk