Talk:The War Against the Chtorr

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Okay, so I've made an article that gives a brief description of the series. Let the edits begin! - GK

I am trying to flesh out more details of these novels. This includes some information about the various flora and fauna of the invasion. In addition, I am adding links to other characters which appear in other novels. I am about to reread the series, so will hopefully have more to add soon. - 15:20, 31 March 2006 Mushrom

Added Infobox, and will try to flesh this out a bit more in the comming days. Mushrom 21:18, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chtorr?

As a person that has never read the books, I really miss one thing: what is Chtorr? Where this word came from or how it was created by the characteres? 189.25.33.123 02:23, 9 November 2007 (UTC)



How do you pronounce Chtorr anyway?

   With a little click before the T.  Like the word "victor," but leave off the "vi-."

What does the word Chtorr mean? Why did Gerrold come up with such a weird word?

   David made up the word, because he liked the look of it in print and the sound it suggested.  "The Chtorr" refers to the entire Chtorran ecology/symbiosis/paradigm.

Chtorr (ktôr), n. 1. The planet Chtorr, presumed to exist within 30 light years of Earth. 2. The star system in which the planet occurs, presently unidentified. 3. The Chtorran ecology; the living system comprised of all the processes and particles of the Chtorran ecology. 4. In formal usage, either one or many members of the ruling species of the planet Chtorr. Obsolete. (see Chtor-ran) 5. The glottal chirruping cry of a Chtorran gastropede.

Chtorran (ktôr in), adj. 1. Of or relating to either the planet or the star system, Chtorr. 2. Native to Chtorr. n. 1. Any creature native to Chtorr. 2. In common usage, a member or the primary species of Chtorr, the worm-like gastropede. (pl. Chtor-rans)

DarkMystic (talk) 10:11, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Timeline

Thansk for doing this GK. I read one of these books years and years ago, but it got lost in the mists of time, never had a clue that there was a series until i saw a reference to chtorr on another article!! I have now got the first book, with the next on order! How about a timeline for events?

  • I have a similar experience; read the first two ages ago - we're talking twenty years. But it took me from then to now to find the next two. As for a timeline, I don't really know. I think it would be hard; he seems to have updated the tech a little over time to keep things current, understandable since the series has spanned 23 years of real time now. I suspect you could construct something if you sat and read through them all, noting all the "five years ago..." type references as you went. (GK) aka BobThePirate 12:31, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Speculation

  • Not so certain about the early 21st century starting point looking at it. Although i am reading it 20 odd years after they were written, i would put it in the later 21st century. You have the Israeli war, which was the first military defeat of the US, and led to the Moscow treaty by way of Pakistan. That happened long enough for most of Jims class to not be able to remember it, but for serving military officers to have fought in it, such as Duke. Then the plagues followed by the start of the infestation. Which took place probably around 4 years after Jim graduated from high school.
    • Keep in mind that Gerrold wrote "A Matter for Men" in 1983, and so "early 21st century" was then still 20-50 years off. 74.129.12.187 18:58, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Just thought i would comment that i reckon the Chtorrans actually come from Earths far future...Based on the comments that their biology is a half billion years ahead of ours, and based on a red sun. As a yellow sun will go red, and no alien ships have been spotted/found, my theory is that it is a all time travel. This is based on the first two books...

  • I would bet not... Earth's sun is not going to be red in a half billion years, more like 4 or 5 billion. And when it is, Earth will boil away to nothing anyway. Actually, I suspect In know how this series is going to pan out... let's just say that we never see spaceships because there are none and never were... BobThePirate 20:52, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
  • I have been a fan of this series for over 2 decades now, and am eagerly awaiting the next book (have been for over a decade now). And I also have speculations as to the origin and outcome. Mostly, the main characters have been looking for an "intelligence" behind the infestation. They believe that there is a "superior intelligence" behind it all, be it the worms, bunnymen, or something not seen yet. I bet that when it is all said and done, there is no intelligence behind it. It is simply a pattern of creatures that have been infested with the "nerve hair symbiots". And as the "infestation" expands, it adds new creatures to the invasion. And how they got to Earth is also already stated: Shambler Trees. Their seeds are able to survive Earth entry, and contain "spores" of a great many creatures. And if we loose the war, some time in the future such "seeds" would be ejected from Earth, complete with a devolved form of humans and other earth fauna, complete with red fur. Mushrom 21:05, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi Guys! I'm almost finished reading the fourth book. I must notice that the author did a good job updating the technology since book 1. I hope he'll keep up with the current development in Method for Madness and pray it will be out soon! :) It's an awesome series, and it would be a pity if it was left unfinished. My current thoughts about the whole thing are that humans simply won't be able to get rid of the infestation nor be able to hold its spread. They may be able to slow it down though. Quite a depressive outlook, yet I'm eagerly looking forward to the fifth book. Overall, two thumbs up! malyleo@chello.sk